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For those of you who are not able to make a donation we will continue to publish this 'Digest' weekly and it will be available in the General UFO Files area. -=>>>>>>~[]~<<<<<<=- We suggest you highlight one of the 'subject lines' in the following content list, and ask your reader/word processor to either 'find' or 'search' - it'll take you right to the subject...and then search again for the same thing - there may be more than message with that subject line! -=>>>>>>~[]~<<<<<<=- * IN THIS ISSUE: * First Radio Interview with Kenneth Arnold; 6/25/47. * Anomalous Shuttle Video * The Roswell Film Showing Aliens * Close Encounters in Zimbabwe * Mid-air UFO Encounter * Triangular Craft * ESP Article * Farley letter * The Truth Is Out There * Cooking With CSICOP * Beijing Airport UFO * Decode.com * Editor's Note: * Future US Map? .GIF * Take Me To Your (Human) Leader * Wytheville, Va. "UFO" aerial ballet * ORTK worldwide membership * Project Open Book: Alien Implant Or--Human Underwear? * Who Should Do UFO And Alien Abduction Investigation? * Retraction & Apologies * Roswell - The afternoon Shift * Randall & Friedman on Donald Schmitt's misrepresentations * Mars is Life-Friendly After All * Bob Lazar model UFO info!!! * Article: Freedom Ridge Now Closed * Philadelphia Experiment info * Intuition Network * Cryptozoology Special Interest Group * Roswell Film Flap * Info on 1952 * Trionica #1.2 - ASP Part * Bufora/roswell film * Tale of Two Bunnies * N. I. A. Mistery * Re: Pyramid, Face on Mars * Tour ufo crash site in Russia * Trionica #3 - Interactive Experiencing * Sieki1rv.txt * MACK, Newly revised "Abductions" now in paperback * The Roswell Film Showing * Press coverage on ORTK demonstrations worldwide coming in * SPHINX.GIF * Groom Lake Desert Rat #25 * Physicist's look at the Lazar claims about gravity A and B * Cover-Up Ends 4/28/95 * ROSWELL.JPG Intro * ROSWELL.JPG * The BIG picture! * Big Black Triangles * The Spacer Connection Explained * Roswell film * Re: The Truth About UFOs * Re: Mexico City -=>>>>>>~[]~<<<<<<=- Date: 04-09-95 (10:58) Number: 5959 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: First Kenneth Arnold Interview Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) The following is thought to be (considered to be) the _first_ public interview Kenneth Arnold gave regarding his sighting. Thanks go to Mike Christol for providing the audiotape. (And also thanks to Mike for being patient! He sent me the audiotape over a year ago, I lost the tape twice in my mess of stuff and finally both found it and the time to get it transcribed.) - JP. -------------------- First Radio Interview with Kenneth Arnold; 6/25/47. NEWSCASTER: The nation, every newscaster, and every newspaper across the nation has made headlines out of it, and this afternoon we are honored, indeed, to have here in our studio this man, Kenneth Arnold, who, we believe, may be able to give us a first-hand account and give you the same on what happened. Kenneth, first of all if you'll move up here to the microphone just a little closer, we'll ask you to just tell in your own fashion, as you told us last night in your hotel room, and again this morning, what you were doing there and how this entire thing started. Go ahead, Kenneth. KENNETH ARNOLD: Well, about 2:15 I took off from Chehalis, Washington, en route to Yakima, and, of course, every time that any of us fly over the country near Mt. Rainier, we spend an hour or two in search of the Marine plane that's never been found that they believe is in the snow someplace southwest of that particular area. That area is located at about, it's elevation is about 10,000 foot, and I had made one sweep in close to Mt. Rainier and down one of the canyons and was dragging it for any types of objects that might prove to be the Marine ship, uh, and as I come out of the canyon there, was about 15 minutes, I was approximately 25 to 28 miles from Mt. Rainier, I climbed back up to 9200 feet and I noticed to the left of me a chain which looked to me like the tail of a Chinese kite, kind of weaving and going at a terrific speed across the face of Mt. Rainier. I, at first, thought they were geese because it flew like geese, but it was going so fast that I immediately changed my mind and decided it was a bunch of new jet planes in formation. Well, as the plane come to the edge of Mt. Rainier flying at about 160 degrees south, I thought I would clock them because it was such a clear day, and I didn't know where there destination was, but due to the fact that I had Mt. Saint Helens and Mt. Adams to clock them by, I just thought I'd see just how fast they were going, since among pilots we argue about speed so much. And, they seemed to flip and flash in the sun, just like a mirror, and, in fact, I happened to be in an angle from the sun that seemed to hit the tops of these peculiar looking things in such a way that it almost blinded you when you looked at them through your plexiglass windshield. Well, uh, I uh, it was about one minute to three when I started clocking them on my sweep second hand clock, and as I kept looking at them, I kept looking for their tails, and they didn't have any tail. I thought, well, maybe something's wrong with my eyes and I turned the plane around and opened the window, and looked out the window, and sure enough, I couldn't find any tails on 'em. And, uh, the whole, our observation of these particular ships, didn't last more than about two and a half minutes and I could see them only plainly when they seemed to tip their wing, or whatever it was, and the sun flashed on them. They looked something like a pie plate that was cut in half with a sort of a convex triangle in the rear. Now, I thought, well, that maybe they're jet planes with just the tails painted green or brown or something, and I didn't think too much of it, but kept on watching them. They didn't fly in a conventional formation that's taught in our army, they seemed to kind of weave in and out right above the mountaintops, and I would say that they even went down into the canyons in several instances, oh, probably a hundred feet, but I could see them against the snow, of course, on Mt. Rainier and against the snow on Mt. Adams as they were flashing, and against a high ridge that happens to lay in between Mt. Rainier and Mt. Adams. But when I observed the tail end of the last one passing Mt. Adams, and I was at an angle near Mt. Rainier from it, but I looked at my watch and it showed one minute and 42 seconds. Well, I felt that was pretty fast and I didn't stop to think what the distance was between the two mountains. Well, I landed at Yakima, Washington, and Al Baxter was there to greet me and he said ...[unintelligible]... And, he told me, I guess I better change my brand, but he kind of gave me a mysterious sort of a look that maybe I had seen something, he didn't know, and well, I just kind of forgot it then, until I got down to Pendleton and I began looking at my map and taking measurements on it. And, the best calculation I could figure out, now even in spite of error, would be around 1200 miles an hour, because making the distance from Mt. Rainier to Mt. Adams, in, we'll say approximately two minutes, it's almost, well, it'd be around 25 miles per minute. Now allowing for air, we can give them three minutes or four minutes to make it, and they're still going more than 800 miles an hour, and to my knowledge, there isn't anything that I've read about, outside of some of the German rockets, that would go that fast. These were flying in more or less a level, constant altitude. They weren't going up and they weren't going down. They were just simply flying straight and level and I, I laughed ...[unintelligible]..., they sure must have had a tailwind. But it didn't seem to help me much. But to the best of my knowledge, and the best of my description, that is what I actually saw, and, uh, like I told the Associated Press, I'll, I'd be glad to confirm it with my hands on a Bible because I did see it, and whether it has anything to do with our army or our intelligence or whether it has to do with some foreign country, I don't know. But I did see it and I did clock it and I just happened to be in a beautiful position to do it and it's just as much a mystery to me as it is to everyone else who's been calling me the last 24 hours, wondering what it was. NEWSCASTER: Well, Kenneth, thank you very much. I know that you've certainly been busy these last 24 hours, 'cause I've spent some of the time with you myself, and I know that the press associations, both Associated Press and our press, the United Press, has been right after you every minute. The Associated and the United Press, all over the nation, have been after this story. It's been on every newscast, over the air, and in every newspaper I know of. The United Press in Portland has made several telephone calls here at Pendleton to me, and to you this morning, and from New York I understand, they are after this story, and that we may have an answer ...[unintelligible]... because, if it is some new type of army or navy secret missile, there would probably a story come out on it from the army or navy asking, saying that it is a new secret plane and that will be all there is to it, and they will hush up the story, or perhaps that we will finally get a definite answer to it. I understand the United Press is checking on it out of New York now with the Army, and also with the Navy, and we hope to have some concrete answer before nightfall. We certainly want to thank you, Kenneth for coming into our studio. We feel very pleased that this news which is making nationwide news across the country, we are able to give our listeners over KWRC a first-hand report direct from you, of what you saw. And we urge our listeners to keep tuned to this station, because anytime this afternoon or this evening, and we get something on it on our United Press teletype, which is in direct communications with new York, Chicago, Portland, in fact, every United Press bureau across the nation, why, we'll have it on the air. END. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5973 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: "Autopsy" Film Bibliograp Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Originally By: Fred Muratori * Originally To: All * Originally Re: "Autopsy" Film Bibliography * Original Area: ParaNet(sm) UFO Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 OS/2 From: fmm1@cornell.edu (Fred Muratori) Date: 7 Apr 95 17:23:06 GMT Organization: Cornell University Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo I noticed that several posters are under the impression that news of the alleged Roswell 'autopsy' film has not been carried by the "legitimate" news media. While the story has received little or no coverage in the US print media, here's a short bibliography of articles that appeared in newspapers in Great Britain, and which should be available at any large US research or academic library: "Is Anyone Out There...? _The Guardian_ (daily ed.) April 4, 1995; pg. 10. "Dear UFO Believer..." _The Independent_ March 29, 1995 (Wed.;, pg. 21. "Film of 'aliens' offered to MoD" _The Times_ (London) March 28, 1995; pg. 5. "Little Green Men or Big Green Dollars?" _Daily Mail_ March 28, 1995; pg. 9. "Aliens, the real movie." _Daily Mail_ March 27, 1995; pg. 15. Outside Britain, stories appeared in the _Irish Times_ and several papers down under, as others have posted. These are not tabloids, but -- in the US at least -- are considered to be among the most authoritative papers in Britain, regarded in much the same light as the _NY Times_, _Washington Post_, etc. The 3/28 article in _The Times_ mentions that the film "is to be offered to the Ministry of Defence for analysis." Anyone know if this actually occurred or who is doing the offering (Philip Mantle, perhaps?). In the 3/29 _Independent_ article, Mantle claims to have seen a "fragment" of the film and describes -- somewhat vaguely -- what he's viewed. If anyone discovers any other printed reports on the film, please post the citations with as much info (date, page, etc.) as possible. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5974 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: Anomalous Shuttle Video Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Originally By: Kelley Mannen * Originally To: All * Originally Re: Anoalous Shuttle Video * Original Area: ParaNet(sm) UFO Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 OS/2 From: MANNENRK@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU (Kelley Mannen) Date: 7 Apr 95 21:03:01 GMT Organization: SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY St. Louis, MO Message-ID: <01HP27M2HWEUHWB7I4@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU> Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo There is an interesting article in the latest issue of the Journal of Scientific Exploration concerning video data captured on Discovery mission STS-48 (JSE vol. 9, #1 p.45). The author, Mark J. Carlotto, did an extensive digital analysis of several objects captured on tape on 15 Sept. 1991 near the west coast of Australia. He concludes that the behavior of the objects, one of which "appears to have a definite structure consisting of three lobes arranged in a triangular pattern",is inconsistent with the thruster firing hypothesis put forward by NASA. To quote from the conclusion: "We believe that the measurements and analyses contained in this paper establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the objects captured in this video are not orbiter-generated debris (e.g., ice particles) disturbed by a thruster firing. However, it is beyond the scope of this paper to speculate on what they might be. It can only be said that they are not meteorites flashing in the atmosphere, as it has been claimed for flashes seen from the shuttles, because the trajectories, velocities, and sudden changes in direction of certain objects studied in this paper are not compatible with this hypothesis." Anyway, check it out. K. Mannen --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5975 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: THE ROSWELL FILM SHOWING Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Originally By: Joachim Koch * Originally To: All * Originally Re: THE ROSWELL FILM SHOWING ALIENS * Original Area: ParaNet(sm) UFO Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 OS/2 From: joachim.koch@wad.fido.de (Joachim Koch) Date: 7 Apr 95 04:49:00 GMT Organization: Welt am Draht Message-ID: <2e6_9504070300@wad.fido.de> Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo ## Nachricht vom 06.04.95 weitergeleitet ## Ursprung : /FIDO/UFO ## Ersteller: Joachim Koch@2:2410/704.20 ## Empfaenger: All ## Nachricht vom 02.04.95 weitergeleitet ## Ursprung : Joachim Koch@242:1000/7.20 ## Ersteller: momus # cix.compulink.co.uk@242:1000/7.99 ## Empfaenger: -!-------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello All! This is something very important we have received from a colleague and good friend from the U.K. who might be known in the U.S., too. As we declare that everything with regards to extraterrestrial intelligence is of interest to the whole planetary society and should not withheld from publishing we would like to present to you the following. April, 6th, 1995, The International Roswell Initiative -!-------------------------------------------------------------------- Claim of film footage showing aliens at Roswell ----------------------------------------------- During a TV talk show in January Reg Presley said that he had recently seen video footage which was said to have been taken at Roswell, New Mexico, following the crash there of a flying saucer in July 1947. This footage apparently showed two aliens who were being "worked on" by doctors, though it is not clear whether they were alive or dead. Reg is a British pop musician, best known as a member of the Troggs during the late '60s & '70s. He is still very active in that role and a top single he had written then, "Love is all around", recently made a sensational comeback when it was featured in the soundtrack of the hit movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral". Reg is a UFO and crop circle enthusiast. Background to the Roswell footage story is as follows: Two guys from the world of pop music went to the U.S. to see some old footage of Elvis Presley (no relation!) never previously made public, which was in the possesion of a man in California who was aged "nearly 80". They readily agreed to buy his excellent Elvis footage, and the old man was sufficiently encouraged to say "Well, if you thought that was fantastic, you'd better take a look at this!" He then produced fourteen or fifteen cartridges of film with perhaps 10 minutes worth on each. He picked up some of these cartridges and proceeded to show them footage which he says he shot at Roswell in early July 1947. At the time, he was sent by the U.S. Army to make a cine film (not stills) of debris in the desert which was apparently that of a crashed flying saucer. He filmed this and a large crane which was being used at the crash site. Then he was taken to film two dead or dying aliens who were being "worked on" in a temporary shelter. One had been initially still alive but died subsequently. Whether the two doctors were trying to save this one, or merely performing autopsies on both corpses is not clear. A third man in an overcoat was standing close by and may have been from military intelligence. The photographer lamented the fact that the cine camera which he used for this was one meant for outside filming rather than one more suitable for the dimmer light inside the shelter where the bodies were. The aliens appeared to Reg to be tall, say, about 6 ft 6 in.(Other people who have seen it apparently dispute this saying the aliens were no more than 5 ft tall.) They were very skinny and had big black eyes. Reg's description hardly corresponds to other accounts of the alien bodies said to have been seen at Roswell then, which were described as being of "oriental appearance", and it certainly doesn't tally with the story that child-sized funeral caskets were ordered for the bodies, unless of course the corpses were dismembered. Some of this film apparently shows parts of the alien corpses which had been severed and were labelled. Other cartridges allegedly show many military men at the crash site and among them the then President, Harry S Truman, is visible. This is something that has never previously been suggested but might be checkable. The quality of the black and white film, taken from the end of the beds, is "not great". The original was on the type of cine film which would have been used in that era. It is said to have been recently examined by Kodak who confirm this is 1940s film. Reg has only seen 15 minutes worth, which is less than half the total footage; what he was shown had been copied on to modern videotape. He appears very confident that this film footage is in fact genuine. He knows the name of the man from California who is said to have shot the footage but he cannot yet disclose this. This Army cine photographer, who supposedly kept unauthorised copies of what he had filmed, is NOT Nicholas van Poppen, a name sometimes mentioned in connection with filming the Roswell crash but who died several years ago. The photographer is reported by some to be 82 years old. The footage is in the possession of Ray Santilli who lives in London and who intends to produce a documentary out of it. He sees this clearly as a commercial venture. He is said to have purchased the original film for $100,000, or perhaps $150,000.He has had the film for about two years and it has now all been transferred onto modern videotape, both as a direct copy and also in the form of a version which has undergone enhancement.One story is that it has now been sold to Fox for $200,000 and that they will make a TV program about it. Another is that Rupert Murdoch has taken a personal interest in it and has secretly arranged to show it to certain important people. None of this can be confirmed. Santilli is a book publisher and is connected with the film industry. He is not a UFO buff and has not been at all responsive to inquiries made by other UFO researchers. Clearly his principal interest is in the commercial value of this footage but he has promised Reg Presley a copy of the film for private use but only on condition that it is not copied. Some of us are hoping to get a look at this in the near future. Although there is obviously much scope for some elaborate hoax, well-fuelled by the publicity of suppressed mystery, it would be wise to suspend judgement until we have seen this Roswell footage, which, it seems, we all will in due course anyway. One source has told me that there are inaccuracies in the film, such as performing autopsies without surgical gloves. Also an anachronism in that samples removed from the corpses are placed in plastic bags rather than glass bottles which would have been used in 1947. If these reports are true, the authenticity of the film is in question. There are also reports that copies of the films are in possession of the military. Any verdict on the authenticity of the film will greatly depend upon an independent examination of the original film, since any amount of falsification is now possible using computer techniques such as those employed in "Forrest Gump" (if you don't believe this, go see the movie!). As for myself, I will only offer an opinion as regards authenticity when I've seen this Roswell footage and have had a chance to look at the original film. George Wingfield, March 6th 1995. Update on the Roswell film (March 28th 1995): Today two leading national newspapers, the Daily Mail and The Times (of London) carried stories about the recently rediscovered Roswell film footage. In particular they both reveal that BBC TV will screen this footage (apparently 91 minutes worth, in black and white) sometime in late August. It is interesting that the story in both papers is presented factually and without the usual snide dismissal that we have come to expect. Naturally the authenticity of the film is the main issue that is discussed. A preview of the film footage will be presented at the UFO Conference in Sheffield on August 19-20 which is run by BUFORA (British UFO Research Association). Conference organiser Philip Mantle has told the press that Ray Santilly will present extracts from the Roswell film and speak about its background. Mantle says that the Kodak company have tested the original film cartridges and found them to be celluloid cine film of that period. These reports are very encouraging in that there are obviously a number of people prepared to go out on a limb with regard to the authenticity of the film. This seems to correspond to what I am hearing from a usually sceptical source of mine who works for NASA in the U.S. He says that reliable sources, which he has, are treating the film seriously and to the effect that it was a deliberate leak of information rather than disinformation. On this general topic he has heard from two independent sources the message that major official revelations on UFOs are imminent. Of course, as UFO researchers, we've all heard that before, only to have our expectations disappointed. However, at present, I think that things are looking fairly encouraging. GW --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5976 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: Close Encounters in Zimba Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Originally By: John Stepkowski * Originally To: All * Originally Re: Close Encounters in Zimbabwe * Original Area: MUFON Public Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 OS/2 The following is a preliminary report of a possible CE3K event at Ruwa, Zimbabwe, in September, 1994. Full details of eyewitness accounts and soil analyses of the alleged UFO landing site will be presented by Cynthia Hind at the BUFORA Conference in Sheffield, England, in August. (The same conference where the alleged "Roswell" film is due to be screened.) Please address correspondence to: Cynthia Hind UFO AFRINEWS P.O. Box MP 49 Harare Zimbabwe =============================== THE CHILDREN OF ARIEL SCHOOL - Case No. #96. Ruwa, Zimbabwe By Cynthia Hind On Friday 16th September, at approximately 10:15, 62 children from Ariel School, a private primary school in Ruwa (about 20 km from Harare) were in their playing field for the mid-morning break. Suddenly, they saw three silver balls in the sky over the school. These disappeared with a flash of light and then re-appeared elsewhere. This happened three times and then they started to move down towards the school with one of them landing (or hovering) over a section of rough ground made up of trees, thorn bushes, and some brown-grey cut grass with bamboo shoots sticking up out of the ground. The children are not allowed in this area although it is adjacent to their playing field and is not fenced off, because of snakes, spiders and perhaps other harmful creatures. One can soon disappear from view while walking here, and there is only one very rough track used by tractors in an attempt to clear this area. There is a line of electricity pylons and according to one boy, the object followed along this line prior to landing. There is also some controversy as to whether the object _landed_ on the ground or hovered above it. On Tuesday, 20th September, I went out to the school with a BBC reporter and their television equipment, as well as my son and Gunter Hofer, a young man who builds his own electrical equipment, viz, a Geiger counter, a metal detector and a magnetometer, to try and see if the object left any traces behind. The headmaster of the school is Mr. Colin Mackie, who was most co-operative, and although he had never been involved with UFOs or a believer in them, said that he believed the children had seen what they said they saw. I was able to interview about 10 or 12 older children and this was recorded for BBC television. One eyewitness, Barry D., said he had seen three objects flying over, with flashing red lights. They disappeared, and reappeared almost immediately, but somewhere else. This happened about three times. Then they came and landed near some gum trees; Barry said the main one (object) was about the size of his thumb nail held at arm's length. The reports were similar although some children were more observant than others. The consensus of opinion was that an object came down in the area where they indicated, about 100 metres from where they were at the edge of the school playing field. Then a small man (approx 1 metre in height) appeared on top of the object. He walked a little way across the rough ground, became aware of the children and disappeared. He, or someone very like him, then re-appeared at the back of the object. The object took off very rapidly and disappeared. The little man was dressed in a tight-fitting black suit which was 'shiny' according to one observant girl (11 years of age). He had a long scrawny neck and huge eyes like rugby balls. He had a pale face with long black hair coming below his shoulders. I had suggested to Mr. Mackie prior to visiting the school and before the children had been interviewed, that he let the children draw what they had seen and he now has about 30-40 drawings, some of which are very explicit and clear, although some are rather vague. The childrens' ages vary from 5/6 to 12 years. I have 22 photocopies of the clearer drawings as Mr. Mackie kindly allowed me to page through the pictures and choose those I wanted. Most of the descriptions are similar but some of the craft are very obviously 'flying saucers', and I wonder how many of these children have had access to the media. Others are crude but more or less in this saucer shape. The children vary in cultures: there are black, white, coloured and Asian children. One little girl said to me, 'I swear by every hair on my head and the whole Bible that I am telling the truth.' I could see the pleasure on her face when I told her that I believed her. The smaller children from 5-7 years were very frightened at the time and ran shouting 'Help me, help me.' When the older children asked why they were saying this, the reply was, 'He is coming to eat us.' I should think this applied more to the black African children who have legends of _tokoloshies_ eating children. Their teachers were in a meeting and did not come out. When I queried the headmaster about this he said the children always shouted and yelled during their playtime and no-one thought there was anything unusual going on. The only other adult available at the time was one of the mothers who was running the tuckshop. When the children came to call her, she did not believe them and would not come out: she was not prepared to leave the tuckshop with all the food and money. Gunter and the men thoroughly examined the ground around where the children had seen the object, but could get no reaction on the geiger counter or any other equipment. If the object was hovering perhaps nothing would show. I walked, on my own, along the electricity pylons for quite a away, caught up in thorn bushes, trampling blithely over snake holes and discarding all caution. I found no place where some object could have landed and pressed down the foliage. In fact, I should think the bamboo stumps would have been a deterrent. The day was hot, around 33 C (91F)... Dr John Mack was visiting Zimbabwe at the time of the event, and he spent two days at Ariel School with the children. He also spoke to the Headmaster, Colin Mackie, the teachers and some of the parents. John and his fellow researcher, Dominique Callimanopulos, were able to get through to the parents and teachers and convince them that even if they did not believe the children, it was counter-productive to accuse them of lying. Listen and think about what they were saying, he advised. His particular interest in child psychiatry was also of great use during the questioning and many former hidden memories came to light, something John is sure to make public when he has had a chance to re-assess his interviewing.(sic) There is a lot more to this incident than has been uncovered now and we will report further in _UFO AFRINEWS_ No. 12. [Article reproduced with permission] *E-O-F* --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5978 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: Mid-air UFO Encounter Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Originally By: John Stepkowski * Originally To: All * Originally Re: Mid-air UFO Encounter * Original Area: MUFON Public Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 OS/2 >From Northern UFO News #169, Winter 1995, pp. 15-16 'Another Mid-air Encounter' Available from: Jenny Randles 11 Pike Court Fleetwood Lancashire FY7 8QF England ================================== Case #9501, 6 January, 1995. Peak District Hills. Regular readers will need no reminding that I have on several occasions referenced the dramatic spate of mid-air encounters between British jets and UFOs. A report in _The Times_ (2 Feb) states that there have been 4 of these since 1987. In fact, there have been more than twice as many - involving _Dan-Air_, _Alitalia_, _British Airways_, and _Britannia_. In at least two, radar trackings of lozenge shaped objects were reported. There is no doubt that this is a worrying trend. A pathetic report from hatchet man skeptic Peter Brookesmith which _Magonia_ printed in issue 50 (and I replied to in issue 51), spuriously attacked me for my report on a few such cases in _The Paranormal Year_ - even though I think that account was an accurate summation. He evidently feels that there is nothing in these events but I hope he does a better job of looking into this latest episode. ..A British Airways Boeing 737 on flight BA 5061, inbound from Milan to Manchester Airport and carrying 60 passengers and two cockpit crew. Only the pilot (Roger Wills) and copilot (Mark Stuart) appear to have been witnesses. Whilst NARO investigations are continuing, I thank Roy Sandbach for discovering that on the night in question the flight was four minutes early and landed at Ringway at 19.01. The encounter took place when the jet was heading north to start a descent from 13,000 at about 18.44. Suddenly a bright light appeared dead ahead and seemed to streak towards the jet. The crew admit that they ducked instinctively, fearing an impact, but none followed and looking up they were just in time to watch as the brilliant object shot past their right hand side on a south easterly course. They made out a vague triangular shape and from these estimates we could argue that the duration of the encounter was about 5 seconds. They thought that the object was at about their height only yards away from them - subjective and unlikely estimations. It is difficult to be precise as to where the aircraft was, but it would not have been far from Ashbourne on its flight north across the southern Peak District. This area has generated various ground-based UFO sightings of triangular and manta-ray shaped craft in the past decade or so! There was also a mini-flap of sightings around nearby Belper during the first couple of days of January 1995, and a sighting at Bradley - just outside Ashbourne - only seven days before the aircraft encounter (see case 9425 - this issue). [1] The pilot contacted Manchester air traffic control immediately after the sighting but they only had the Boeing 737 on radar. No other nearby aircraft was tracked. The crew nonetheless decided to file a report - after initial reluctance for fear of ridicule. The civil aviation authority in late January were said to be holding an official air-miss investigation, as was launched into several of the earlier cases - none of which were resolved by it. However, bizarrely, when asked to comment the CAA claimed to have been _unable to trace the aircraft involved_. Given that we know the date, time, airline, flight number and names of the crew involved, this seems ludicrous! Obviously, at this stage the object is a UFO which _may_ be explained. The CAA are contemplating a stealth jet - although _Janes Defence Weekly_ repudiated that idea. _The Times'_ suggest a _'high flying radio controlled model aircraft'_ (at 13,000 feet?), which seems a little unlikely. My main concern here would be that, as reports in _NUN_ show, there have been an unusual number of bright fireball meteors between late November and late January (see examples this issue). [2] This mid-air encounter could have been another example; with the shape caused by the near head-on approach of the aircraft. However, we have no other sightings for that night, which given the time of day (early evening) seems hard to imagine - except of course, that the Boeing was above low cloud and ground observers simply might not have been able to see any meteor as this would inevitably have been far above this blanket. This theory cannot be a certain explanation, but it is a possibility that does not seem to have been considered by the investigating authorities. Time, no doubt, will tell us how viable it is, particularly if the crew can be interviewed. In addition, if we can get the official CAA report we will let you know what it has to say. -------------------- [1]: Case # 9425 - 31 December 1994 - Bradley, Derbyshire. Man visiting his daughter saw round object with 50 green lights on the side. It was the size of the full moon. A yellow glow surrounded it. After 2/3 mins it shot away in the direction of Belper at 2000ft high. [2]: Case #9423 - 15 December 1994 - Bakewell, Derbyshire. A truck driver reported a _rocket_ crashing from the sky over Hardwick Hall near Bakewell in the early hours. Eight officers searched the area around junction 29 of the M1 but nothing was found. There were other reports of meteors that night (see also later Cheshire sighting report for two or three hours earlier [3]) and this sounds very much like a fireball meteor. Case #9432 - 14 December 1994 - Burnley, Lancashire. Mr H. spotted a vapour trail descending vertically out of the NW sky at 03.30 and went outside to investigate. At 04.00 another appeared crossing the sky and remained until pre-dawn clouds were visible. Then he saw a spear-head shaped object coloured burnished orange streak along this trail NW in a few seconds. Possibly a meteor? [3] Case #9433 - 14 December 1994 - Handforth, Cheshire. Mrs B was driving to the brow of the hill on Wilmslow Road at 22.25 when she saw two white lights separated by a blue shadow dead ahead in the north. These shot across the sky in seconds. Manchester Airport is 2 miles west and a fireball meteor is an option. *E-O-F* --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5980 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: Triangular Craft Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Originally By: James Easton * Originally To: All * Originally Re: Triangular Craft * Original Area: MUFON Public Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 OS/2 Some recent reports of "triangular" shaped craft from the U.K.: ENGLAND: 26 September 1993, Bakewell, Derbyshire - "At 9 a.m. the activity around the Bakewell/Matlock area increased. One witness reported an object in the sky "lit up lit a huge fairground"...it was at 9.30 p.m. that further witnesses reported the shape of an illuminated triangle flying slowly and low over the town. Mrs Hilda Hill drew a sketch of the triangle as it flew overhead "slow moving and silent". Mrs Susan Shah, who lives on a hill overlooking Matlock Baths, noticed bright lights approaching her house. She opened a window to watch as the huge triangle passed "slowly and silently" overhead. A Mrs Pailing of Bakewell also saw the huge triangle and noticed that it was showing red, green and brilliant white lights. A key witness to the event was a Mr Andrews who happened to be driving in the direction of Bakewell at the time. As he approached the town he saw bright lights moving slowly and low down in the sky ahead. Then as he entered the town, he noticed people lining the side of the road, looking up and watching a huge black triangle flying low overhead. "It was lit up like a Christmas tree", commented Mr Andrews. "It had a very bright light at each corner, so bright that it illuminated the ground below. Suddenly he realised that he and the triangle were travelling in the same direction, then driving at a steady speed of 40 m.p.h. he slowly overtook it! The "Flying Triangle" then performed a series of slow "U"-turns and right angled turns, before it finally returned to it's original course and moved out of sight behind a line of trees." Also... "A number of "Flying Triangles" had also been seen in the Essex, England area during November 1993. These included a "massive" (1.5 times the size of a soccer field) triangular object seen flying silently along the sea-front at Holland-on-Sea, on Sunday 5th November. It had a variety of coloured lights underneath with a line of red lights at the back. A number of dark "indentations" could be seen on the underside of the object including a large black circle at the centre. The estimated speed was 40/45 m.p.h. Another large black triangle was observed at 3.25 a.m. on November 18th, flying along the sea-front slightly further south, at Clacton-on-Sea. This triangle carried a series of red and white lights along the two leading edges with, once again, a series of red lights along the back edge. September 27, 1994, Ossett, England - "Before reaching the M1 (motorway), Tina noticed a triangular-shaped object in the sky... Suddenly, having taken her eyes off the object for a few seconds, she saw that it had now descended above her vehicle and appeared to be pacing her...the height was about three average house sizes above her vehicle. At last, she joined the motorway...much to her relief, the object moved away in the distance at great speed. On arrival at Steve's house in Barnsley, Tina blurted out her experience. After some exited discussion, the two decided to venture back up the motorway to Ossett, in case the object was still "loitering in the vicinity". Their journey to Ossett proved uneventful, but as they left the motorway junction at Ossett itself, they caught sight of it towards the east... They stopped their vehicle and got out, and quickly observed the triangle shot across the sky at an "incredible speed", and alarmingly, come to a stop directly overhead. As they watched in nervous amazement, a second triangular craft appeared and hovered alongside. Shortly afterwards, this moved quickly away and was lost behind some trees in the distant horizon. A few minutes later, the remaining triangle suddenly shot off at great speed. Throughout this incredible sighting, neither Tina nor Steve heard a solitary sound emanating from either craft. [END] Date/Time : 25/11/93 @ 00.00-01.00 Hrs Location : Winchester Road, Andover, Hants Witness : Mr B. D'aguilar Source : A.U.P.I.N. (Andover Unexplained Phenomena Investigation Network) Investigators : Mr Bill Holdway & Mr Malcolm Terry (Founder & President) Description ----------- I was driving down the Winchester Rd towards Andover in the early morning in my taxi, when over to my right and in the area of Martins garage I saw what I took to be a U.F.O., it was shaped like a triangle and I estimated it's size as that of a helicopter. I judged the object to be about 500ft above the ground and was just hovering in the air. I stopped the car and my passenger and I got out to take a better look, we stood and watched the object for about 3 mins and then it just vanished in the direction of Clatford, we estimated it's size as between 60-80ft and with white pulsating lights. I had turned off my engine and we were able to hear a low humming noise from the U.F.O. I have never seen an object like this ever before and could not identify it with any earth created craft. ==================================== Date : 25/09/94 @ 00.19 Hrs Location : Battersea, London Witness : Miss X (Identity withheld) Source : LUFOS (Main Branch) Description ----------- It was early in the morning and we were about to go to bed when my husband decided to visit our outside lavatory. When outside I looked to the South and noticed several moving lights coming towards me, at first I thought it was a plane with it's 'main-beam' lights turned off, flying through some mist. As it manoeuvred it revealed it's shape, five orange lights on a matt triangular background, I called to my husband "hurry up", he immediately sighted it and remarked "My God it must be huge". We then observed it together as it travelled silently towards the SE, many stars were visible on the night and it seemed to obliterate them from sight as it passed overhead, as observed with the naked eye. It travelled at a slow walking pace and we observed it for nearly two minutes, before it passed out of sight over nearby houses. We then ran quickly upstairs to our living room to see if we could still see it, but the glare from street lamps made it impossible. [END] --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:20) Number: 5981 of 5995 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: ESP Article Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) __________________________________________________________________________ | COPYRIGHT NOTICE: | | | | You may forward this document to anyone you think might be interested. | | | | The only limitations are: | | A) You must copy this document IN ITS ENTIRETY, WITHOUT MODIFICATIONS, | | including this copyright notice. | | You do NOT have permission to change the contents or make extracts. | | B) You do NOT have permission to copy this document for commercial | | purposes. | | | | The contents of this document are copyright (c) 1980 by the Journal | | of the American Society for Psychical Research. | | | | It was posted on the University of California at Davis ftp server by | | permission of the copyright holder. This ftp server contains ASCII | | files of published articles by Professor Charles T. Tart. Individuals | | wishing to obtain other documents there (which are added to from time | | to time) should | | Connect to ftp server, "ftp.ucdavis.edu". | | Log in as username "anonymous". Send your e-mail address | | as the ident/password string. | | cd to /pub/fztart. | | A "dir" command will show you what is available. | | A "get" command will retrieve documents. | | The file "currentcontents" will be updated regularly, showing | | what papers are available, perhaps with an abstract of each. | |__________________________________________________________________________| Are We Interested In Making ESP Function Strongly and Reliably? A Response to J. E. Kennedy CHARLES T. TART This article was orginally published in The Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, Vol. 74, April 1980, pp. 210-222. ---------------- ABSTRACT: The major problem in parapsychological research is the lack of reproducibility of strong manifestations of psi. Research on correlates of psi, when it usually manifests so weakly, is un likely to be productive. The author's theory that provision of immediate feedback of results might allow learning of stronger and more stable psi behavior will, if true, allow a major break through in parapsychology. In the four years since the publica tion of data (the first Training Study, TS) supportive of the theory, no laboratory other than the author's has attempted to replicate the procedure, but a voluminous amount of largely speculative criticism of the first TS has been published. Are parapsychologists really interested in producing strong and reliable manifestation of psi? Kennedy's paper centers on speculations that an apparent ly uniquely successful experimenter might have been incompetent or dishonest. No evidence really supports such speculations, nor do the data support the idea of that experimenter's uniqueness. Some perturbations in the target sequences analyzed by Kennedy are explicable as psychokinetic perturbations of the electronic random generator used, and, in any case, are of very small magni tude compared to the magnitude of psi (sometimes operating more than 10% of the time for the overall experiment, p<10-24, two- tailed) manifested in the first TS. Further experimental work will be more productive than endless speculation. ----------------- INTRODUCTION In ordinary science, when a field has chronically been making little progress, news of possible breakthroughs is wel comed, and experimenters rush off to their laboratories to try the new techniques. Sometimes the apparent discoveries turn out to be artifactual, or cannot be replicated by others, but the basic attitude is to work personally with a potentially important discovery and, if the results are promising, to develop it. After several years of development of the discovery, it is usually understood more precisely and some original misinterpretations of its nature are corrected; but the important thing is that pro gress has been made. -------------------- Note 1: I wish to thank Arthur Hastings, John Palmer. and Russell Targ for their helpful comments in preparing this paper. -------------------- I am by no means the only one who has long recognized that a (if not the) major problem in parapsychology is that psi phenomena are generally too weak and unreliable to be either demonstrated on demand or, more importantly, studied efficiently: thus one of the major problems in our field is to discover a way to make psi phenomena stronger and more reliable. I believe Kennedy and I are in full agreement on this need. My thinking some years ago (Tart, 1966) about the cause of this unreliability and weak level of manifestation led me to hypothesize that our common testing procedures were, in reality, extinction pro cedures. My review of the literature and my initial promising experiments led me to believe it likely that the provision of immediate feedback to preselected, talented percipients could eliminate the common decline/extinction we see and open up a possibility of learning significantly better psi performance. Judging from my experience in other branches of science, I ex pected that after publication of my and my colleagues initial results, plus the support from many other experiments reviewed in those publications (Tart, l975a; l976a), other parapsychologists would begin experimenting with immediate feedback training of talented percipients in their own laboratories. If my learning theory was correct there was a chance of a very high payoff from such experimentation and a breakthrough in our field; if my theory was wrong, only a little time would be wasted in a field that was not progressing anyway. Kennedy states that my work has aroused considerable interest among Parapsychologists, but I have begun to wonder just what the interest is in. While feedback has been included as a somewhat peripheral variable in a number of studies, to date no one other than myself and my immediate colleagues has attempted to carry out an experiment that is at all a close replication of the highly successful procedures I described in 1975. Instead, the results of that first Training Study (TS) and the theory underlying it have been subjected to an enormous amount of criti cism from within Parapsychology. Some of these criticisms struck me as raising valid questions, and my responses to them were useful for clarifying issues; many others have seemed invalid and trivial to me. This total lack of replication attempts, coupled with this intense criticism, is most surprising. Aren't parapsy chologists interested in actually working with a technique that might promise a major breakthrough in our field? I recommend thoughtful reflection on this question to the reader, blended with a thorough reading of Eisenbud's (1979) recent provocative paper on resistance to psi by Parapsychologists. Given this context, let us now turn to Kennedy's paper. Following an introduction in which he briefly describes comments on my application of learning theory to psi performance,2 Kennedy's paper has two major sections. The first section is speculation about ways in which the very high degree of apparent psi in my first TS might have been due to incompe tence or deliberate dishonesty on the part of an apparently unique experimenter, Dr. Gaines Thomas. The second section is an exploration of some small departures from randomicity in target and response sequences and their possible consequences. We shall deal first with the question of Dr. Thomas' uniqueness as an experimenter and Kennedy's implications of possible incompetence or dishonesty. DR. THOMAS' UNIQUENESS AS AN EXPERIMENTER? In his opening abstract, Kennedy states that "highly significant results were obtained by only one experimenter although he later qualifies this in the text to indicate he is only dealing with half of the first TS, the ten-choice trainer (TCT) results, and not the four-choice Aquarius results. Later he states that "no one in the final stage of either of Tart's two experiments has obtained convincing evidence for non-chance results with one of the ten-choice machines." I find it puzzling that Kennedy goes to such lengths to create an inaccurate pic ture. The first TS as a whole provided evidence for psi function ing and supported the learning theory application: since Kennedy purportedly addresses this whole issue, he cannot legitimately out half the data with no reason. Further, the publications Kennedy himself references contain data obviously contradicting his assertion that no one has obtained convincing evidence for non-chance results with one of the ten-choice trainers other than Dr. Thomas' percipients. Let us look at this in detail. In the first TS, 10 percipients completed the final training phase on the TCT and 15 on the Aquarius trainer. Five percipients, run by four different experimenters other than Dr. Thomas, showed psi-hitting on the Aquarius at the p < .02, two- tailed level or better, one of these at the 10-4 level. Addition ally, two percipients showed significant psi-missing (p < .05, two- tailed) on the Aquarius, with two more experimenters other than Dr. Thomas. Thus an accurate overall assessment of the first TS is that seven of the nine experimenters (including Dr. Thomas) had at least one percipient who showed statistically significant signs of psi on one or the other --------------- Note 2--I do not have space to comment on Kennedy's description of my theory except to note that it is not accurate in some places; the interested reader should therefore refer back to my original presentations (Tart, 1966, 197)a, 1976a, 1977b). --------------- feedback training machine. These data are obvious from Tables 6 and 8 in the references Kennedy cites (Tart, l975a, 1976a). Kennedy seems to have been misled by the very high significance levels of Dr. Thomas' significant percipients, which ranged from two-tailed ps of 4 x 10-5 to 4 x l0-28. As I pointed out several years ago (Tart, 1977c, cited by Kennedy), the same frequency of psi functioning on a ten machine will yield much higher significance levels than on a four-choice machine. When the psi coefficients (Timm, 1973) of all significant percipients are examined, Dr. Thomas' percipients' distribution (.16, .12, .07, .07, and .06) shows considerable overlap with those of the other experimenters' psi-hitting percipients (.10, .08, .08, .07, and .06). Other examples of overlap were presented in the original publications (Tart, l975a, p. 79; l976a, p. 82). Moreover, the significant negative correlation between real-time hitting and + 1 future hitting found for the TCT percipients in the first TS (depending heavily on the results of Dr. Thomas' percipients) was independently replicated with different experimenters and percipients in the second TS (Tart, l977a, 1978b; Tart, Puthoff, and Targ, 1979). Thus, while Dr. Thomas was quantitatively more successful than many other suc cessful experimenters in the first TS, the data fall short of supporting Kennedy's characterization of him as unique. As to Kennedy's statement that no percipient other than those of Dr. Thomas has ever shown convincing evidence" for non- chance results with one of the ten-choice machines, I can only wonder what Kennedy's personal criterion of "convincing" is. The usual scientific criterion is hitting or missing at the .05 level or better of significance under controlled conditions. Chapter 3 of the report on he first TS (Tart, 1975a, l976a) describes a pilot study on the TCT in which one percipient, run by a graduate student, showed a much higher psi coefficient than any of Dr. Thomas' percipients did, as well as one percipient showing sig nificant (p<.01, two-tailed) psi missing. Kennedy cites the report on,the results of the second TS (Tart, Palmer, and Redington, l979a), with a more automated version of the TCT, ADEPT, that eliminated most of the problems Kennedy worries about, but he seems to forget that two of the ten percipients in that study showed statistical significance, one for psi-hitting, one for psi-missing. Kennedy also cites other references (Tart, l977a, 1978b) in which I report a study with Ingo Swann on ADEPT, where psi-hitting was significant. Thus four her experimenters have ob tained significant results on ten-choice liners, contrary to Kennedy's assertions. To put this in appropriate sampling per spective, in the published data cited by Kennedy, percipients other than those in the first TS were tested on ten-choice devic es, and the exact binomial probability of five or more hitting at the .05 level or less is .002, two-tailed. This denial of pub lished data represents highly selective perception. TRUSTWORTHINESS Kennedy is legitimately concerned with the trustworthi ness of the various people involved in psi studies. To deal with this, he sets up a hierarchy of trustworthiness. At the bottom of his hierarchy, the experimental percipients are not to be trusted at all, and experiments should be designed so they cannot cheat even if they try. Next up in the hierarchy are undergraduate students and "hired-hand experimenters," neither of whom are considered very trustworthy. Professionals are third up in his hierarchy, and Kennedy apparently feels we must trust them sometimes for lack of any choice, but they certainly can be incompetent or cheat, so the fourth level is two-experimenter designs where one experimenter can watch the other. Implicitly, there is a fifth level of multiple experimenters watching one another, even though Kennedy feels that there is no absolutely fraud-proof experiment. Since Gaines Thomas was a college senior at the time he served as an experimenter, he is quite low on Kennedy's trustwor thiness hierarchy, and so Kennedy speculates about a variety of methods whereby Thomas, either through incompetence in following instructions or deliberate violation of instructions, could have produced high hit scores without any ESP being involved. These methods include selecting targets he thought a percipient would be likely to choose instead of following the instructions of the random number generator, or changing a target in mid-trial to fit in with the momentary response bias of a percipient. Since his work as an experimenter in my first TS, Gaines Thomas went on to get his Ph.D. in clinical psychology, and is currently employed in that profession. In terms of Kennedy's own status hierarchy, Dr. Thomas' professional position and posses sion of a Ph.D. now give Thomas equal or higher status in the trustworthiness hierarchy than that of Kennedy. Thus Dr. Thomas comments on Kennedy's speculations, in terms of Kennedy's own hierarchy, should be given as high or higher weight as Kennedy'. speculations. Dr. Thomas reviewed an earlier draft of Kennedy's paper, and dismissed Kennedy's speculations as groundless and insulting. The relevant parts of Dr. Thomas' letter to me are a follows: "As to my practice of setting all of the switches except for the correct one and the accurate recording of hits, on the last trial each run I set all of the switches except the correct one in order to signal the subject that the run was completed and that he/she could relax. I was well aware that the hit counter would indicate one more hit than was correct in the event that the subject had made an error in his last trial, or, in the case of the subject making a hit on [his] last trial, that the hit counter would indicate one less than the actual number of hits. I was quite careful about making the correct recording of hits, given my way of ending each run. In [regard] to the question as to whether an inexperi enced experimenter could have rejected the first outcome of the RNG . . thinking that any target generated by the RNG must be random, I was well aware that the randomicity would be [affected] by one not accepting each target that was generated by the RNG, and I accepted, as a matter of standard procedure, each target as it was presented by the RNG. I made no attempt to arbitrarily select targets based on the subjects' response habits. As far as whether or not I manipulated the targets in order to increase the number of the subjects' hits, I can only say that I made no such attempt and I am angered at what appeared to be his insinuation that I was dishonest or inept in my con ducting the experiment and recording the results" (Thomas, person al communication, May 20, 1979). I made Dr. Thomas' letter available to Kennedy before his final preparation of his manuscript. In spite of the fact that Dr. Thomas indicated that Kennedy's speculations have no founda tion, Kennedy has chosen to present them anyway. I believe that Kennedy feels the small variations from pure randomicity in the experimental data lend some sort of support to his speculations, but, as I have argued in several other places (Tart, l977c, l978c, 1979a, l979b), these variations in randomicity are trivial compared to the magnitude of psi seen in the experiment; they may represent PK variations, and the trans-temporal inhibition effect is incompatible with an experimenter incompetence or fraud hy pothesis. Let me now deal in some detail with Kennedy's analyses of my data. PK ACTION ON THE RANDOM GENERATOR As I have suggested elsewhere (Tart, 1978b, l978c, l979a; Tart, Puthoff, and Targ, 1979), 1 suspect that the high-level results of the first TS were due to a combination of both ESP and PK. The percipients' task was to score high, and the experimenter also wished the percipient to score high. Scoring high could be done by a) percipients using clairvoyance, or telepathy to read the experimenter's mind and so push the right button; or (b) percipients using PK to influence the random number generator (RNG) to change to their desired (consciously or unconsciously) target on particular trials; or (c) the experimenter using PK to influence the RNG to come up with targets that are either likely ones for the percipients, given the experimenter's estimate of their biases, or specific responses precognized the experimenter. I have thought about this possible mixture of ESP and PK for several years in an attempt to try to see how to analyze the separate components, but without success. Kennedy proposes that "the PK hypothesis would be supported by verifying that there are non-random patterns in the target data and that the patterns interact with the subject's response habits in ways that produce hits." While I agree with this in principle, in practice we have no independent measure of all of the percipients' response hab its, only a measure taken when they were actually responding to targets. Thus the "response habits" we single out from the data could simply be an ESP following of momentary variations in the RNG pattern rather than generalized response habits of the perci pients. Therefore it is not clear to me how the PK factor can be quantitatively assessed. It is also well to bear in mind that the size of the various non-random effects in the RNG are quite small compared with the percipients' hit rate. The only genuine response habit that is widespread among percipients that I feel can be assessed relatively independently of the particular results is their tendency not to respond with the same number as the previous target was; i.e., to produce very large, negative - 1 temporal deviations. I have found it to be an almost universal phenomenon over several times as many percipi ents as participated in the first TS, including many percipients not showing any significant hitting scores (so that their re sponse patterns were presumably not influenced by ESP). We shall return to this response pattern below. TEMPORAL DISPLACEMENT PATTERNS Kennedy's discussion of the + 1 future displacement effect found in my data, and attributed by me to trans-temporal inhibition (Tart, 1977a, l978b; Tart, Puthoff, and Targ, 1979), is marred by his incorrect understanding of the theory of trans- temporal inhibition. For example, Kennedy states the rationale for the trans-temporal inhibition hypothesis seems questionable "since, if the targets are independent, any information (be it positive or negative about past or future targets would be of no value in discerning the current target. In fact, it would seem that responding to other targets could only interfere with ESP performance." The rational for trans-temporal inhibition is not that percipients desire to respond to future and past targets while they are also trying respond to a present-time target, but that this kind of responding an inherent feature of the lower spatial and temporal localization of the psi process per se. It does indeed interfere with responding to the present time target, and that is the whole point of the theory. Readers interested in the theory should refer back to my original publications for clarification. Kennedy speculates that the + 1 future displacement missing could indicate that the targets were influenced to avoid the previous calls, this being coupled with percipients' known avoidance of calling doubles to a significant extent. Re con cludes that this type of effect would increase the likelihood of getting direct hits: elsewhere, in material cited by Kennedy (Tart, 1978b, e.g.), I have already analyzed this possibility for the even worse case of no XX doublets and shown that a corrected analysis of direct-hitting results is still enormously signifi cant (p< 10-13, two-tailed). A psychokinetic effect to make the next target not correspond to the present-time call would indeed produce +1 future missing (but not real-time hitting), but why either experimenters or percipients would unconsciously undertake this activity to a large extent in two separate experiments, plus other unpublished data I have collected, is not clear. EFFECTS OF LACK OF TARGET DOUBLETS Kennedy and others have made much of the lack of XX target doublets for all of the first TS experimenters, and the slightly greater lack for Dr. Thomas. Kennedy reports my hypothe sis (Tart, 1978b; Tart, Puthoff, and Targ, 1979) that this re sulted from faulty experimenter operation of the RNG push button; although he states that while this speculation sounds quite plausible, it apparently has not been verified by asking the experimenters about it. If Kennedy would read the source he quotes (Tart, 1978b, p. 220) more carefully he would see that the hypothesis was developed from "questioning one of the experiment ers...."Several other experimenters have since confirmed it. In terms of the effects of this lack of XX doublets, I have previously presented an extreme-case analysis where there would be no XX doublets at all, and the probability of a hit would be about one-ninth instead of one-tenth. Re-evaluating the results of the experiment with this new probability makes only trivial changes in the level of results (Tart, 1978b; Tart, Puthoff, and Targ, 1979). Kennedy further speculates that this lack of XX doublets interacting with the response biases of the percipients would produce higher levels of hits and the displacement effects which I have interpreted as trans-temporal inhibition. I find Kennedy's mathematical arguments somewhat difficult to follow at times and of questionable validity. Rather than engage in extended mathematical speculations with little supporting data, I have empirically evaluated the effect. In connection with more detailed analyses of trans-temporal inhibition effects, I have carried out---Note 3--- a number of computer simulations. to empirically evaluate the effects of various kinds of deviations from randomicity in both target and response sequences on the production of direct hits and +1 tempo ral displacement effects. For the cases of interest here, the target distributions were generated by shaping the output of a computer RNG program (at random intervals) so that XX target doublets occurred on the average only .035 of the time, instead of the .10 of the time we would expect the RNG had functioned perfectly. This is a good approximation 0 the proportion of XX target doublets that resulted from experimenter error in opera tion of the push button of the RNG in the fin TS. Further, re sponse distributions were independently taken from the computer RNG, but shaped (at random intervals) to approximate the common response characteristics of almost all percipients tested to date (from the second and third TSs and various pilot studies, as well as from the first TS), namely, avoidance of calling the previous target digit quite strongly (.035 of the time instead the .10 that would be expected from a purely random source), well as avoidance of the second-to-last target digit fairly strong (.054 of the time, instead of the .10 expected from a random source). That is, I built in the common human misunderstanding that random numbers don't repeat," and it was built in to the same extent as it usually appeared in my percipients. Various levels of direct hits were then created in different runs by doctoring the response distribution at random intervals, so that, over various simulations, average hit rates of 10% (chance, no doctor ing), 15. 20%, and 25% were produced. Fifty runs of 500 trials each we simulated under these various conditions. The results are not worth presenting in detail, as they only show that the effects are trivial in the present case. Adding these tar and response biases to otherwise random outputs did not produce any significant direct hitting (Z = .74), even with these bias cumulating their effect over 50 simulated perci pients, rather than the 10 who participated in the first TS. Adding various levels simulated hits did not produce any signifi cant correlation between direct hitting scores and + I temporal hitting scores, in contrast the significant negative correlations found independently in both first and second TS. Kennedy's specu lations about the effects ------------ Note 3 I am indebted to Eric Weaver, who programmed these simula tions and analyses on the Prime computer at SRI international. ------------ these slight deviations from randomicity in target and response sequences thus have no real empirical consequences in these data. THE STRATEGY BOUNDNESS MEASURE Kennedy, citing Stanford (1978), dwells on the mathemati cal invalidity of the strategy boundness measure presented in a paper of mine (Tart, 1978b). Why both Kennedy and Stanford dwell on the invalidity of this measure at length, when I myself point ed Out its invalidity in an early report, is puzzling to me. As I said at the time, the mathematical procedure lacks validity, in spite of assurance from mathematicians that it was valid, but the concept of strategy boundness is quite intriguing and should be investigated in its own right (Tart, l978b, p. 238). Various informal observations have now further strengthened my conviction that the presence of strong response habits like strategy bound ness in a percipient is definitely detrimental to psi functioning. DISTRIBUTION OF THE TARGETS RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS TARGET I am quite intrigued with Kennedy's analysis showing uneven spatial displacement of targets relative to the previous target. As with other displacement effects, the effect is quite small in magnitude4 compared to the overall ESP results for the successful percipients. I suspect it demonstrates the PK compon ent involved in the experiment. A percipient bias to avoid push ing a response button in the immediate vicinity of where the last target was could be taken advantage of by either the percipient or the experimenter unconsciously PKing the generator occasional ly to produce a number substantially different (further away from) the previous target number. This idea is speculative, however, for the reasons discussed above about the difficulties of separating PK and ESP components in the scoring. MATHEMATICAL INFERENCE STRATEGIES Kennedy has again raised a question, originally raised by Gatlin (1979), as to whether percipients could have used some sort of -------------- Note 4 The largest deviation in Kennedy's Table 2 is for the -8 (counter-clockwise) position, relative to the previous target This is a proportion of .114, instead of the .100 expected by chance. If we make the unlikely assumption that the percipients all had a guessing habit that made them tend to call eight posi tions counter-clockwise from the previous target, this would give them a .114 hit rate instead of the expected .100 hit rate. least significant of Dr. Thomas' percipients, however, showed a hit rate of .156, four times as large an effect. --------------- mathematical inference strategy to artifactually score hits from the small departures from randomicity found in some of the first TS target sequences. This possibility has already been discussed by me at length (Tart, l978c, l979a, l979b), so I will touch only on highlights in the limited space allowed me here. First, speculations about possible mathematical inference strategies remain just that until a strategy is specified in operational form (mathematics is highly specifiable) and empiri cally tested against the data. Kennedy's testing of some of his hypotheses about mathematical inference strategies is commen dable, and I hope he will provide technical details on these in some future publication, as this is an interesting area in and of itself. A detailed report of results with my and Eugene Dronek's Probabilistic Predictor Program (PPP), presented at the 1979 Parapsychological Association convention, has now been submitted for publication. As Kennedy knows from a copy of this paper sent to him some time ago, the PPP, while scoring significantly above chance on a few target (and most response) sequences from the first TS, does poorly compared to the actual percipients. Judging from the brief figures Kennedy presents, the PPP is generally more powerful than his estimator program, but detailed compari sons will have to await future publications of details. Second, and quite important, there are several major effects to be accounted for in the first TS data, most notably the high direct hit rate, but also the extremely significant missing on the + 1 future target and the high and significant correlation of this missing with direct hitting, a correlation independently confirmed in the second TS. The PPP does not gener ate significant + 1 missing, nor this correlation. For any mathematical inference hypothesis to be strongly supported, it must not only generate high direct hit rates, comparable to those of the actual percipients; it must also generate very significant + I future missing which is correlated with direct hit rate. Although I have communicated this requirement to Kennedy during the preparation of his paper, he has not reported any data as to whether his inference strategies fulfill this requirement. so it is difficult to know whether to take his results very seriously Third, Kennedy recognizes, as we discussed in correspon dence. that when he predicts targets subjectively rather than using specified mathematical inference strategy, we cannot dis tinguish whether he is using such a rational strategy or ESP. While we prefer to believe in a mathematical interpretation, this is not a scientific interpretation until he can specify, opera tionalize, and empirically demonstrate the efficacy of such a strategy. The above arguments have been presented in detail before in the cited references. CONCLUSION As I have stated in earlier responses (Tart, 1976b, l977c, 1978c) to various criticisms that have been made of the first TS, I regard the net outcome of these exchanges as further strengthening the hypothesis that an extremely significant amount of ESP was generated in the first TS, and I believe the displace ment effects that I have explained under the hypothesis of trans- temporal inhibition may constitute an important insight into the mechanism whereby psi is used. I would close by stressing that the first TS was never intended as a "fool proof" experiment showing irrefutable proof for the existence of ESP and irrefutable proof that immediate feedback inhibits decline and can lead to learning. No first experiment in any area could possibly meet such criteria and, with the use of hindsight, it is doubtful if any one experiment will ever meet such criteria. Of course there are various meth odological improvements that can be made in future studies: Kennedy's suggestions repeat points I made in the original re ports. The important point is that the claims for the potential efficacy of immediate feedback training might be true: if they are, exploration of immediate feedback training and mastering an understanding of relevant parameters could lead to a major break through in reliable control of psi. I suggest that colleagues who are interested in bringing psi under reliable control could better spend their time carrying out their own experiments in this area than further re-analysis, ad infinitum, of minor ef fects in the first TS. REFERENCES EISENBUD, J. How to make things null and void. (An essay-review of Brian Inglis' Natural and Supernatural.) Journal of Parapsy chology, 1979, 43, 140-152. TART, C. T. Card guessing tests: Learning paradigm or extinction paradigm? Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1966, 60, 46-55. TART, C. T. Correspondence: Comments on the critical exchange between Drs. Stanford and Tart. Dr. Tart's reply to Dr. Gatlin. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1978, 72, 81-87. (c) TART, C. T. Randomicity, predictability, and mathematical infer ence strategies in ESP feedback experiments: Discussion of Dr. Gatlin's paper. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1979, 73, 44-60. (a) ---------------- Note 5 To save space, references already cited in the previous paper are not repeated in this list. Ed. ---------------- TART, C. T. Could mathematical inference strategies have inflated scoring in the first feedback training study? In W. G. Roll (Ed.), Research in Parapsychology 1978. Metuchen, N. J.: Scare crow Press, 1979. Pp. 128-129. (b) TART, C. T., AND DRONEK, E. Trying to profit from nonrandomici ty in ESP target sequences: Initial explorations with the proba bilistic predictor program. Paper presented at the Twenty-Second Annual Convention of the Parapsychological Association, Moraga, California, August, 1979. TART, C. T., PUTHOFF, H. E., AND TARG, R. (EDS.). Mind at Large: Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers Symposia on Extrasensory Perception. New York: Praeger, 1979. TlMM, U. The measurement of psi. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1973, 67, 282-294. Department of Psychology University of California, Davis Davis, California 95616 Note: A rejoinder by J. E. Kennedy to this response to his paper will be published in the July issue of the Journal.Ed. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-09-95 (10:46) Number: 85733 of 85905 (Refer# NONE) To: VINCENT JOHNSON From: GLENDA STOCKS Subj: Farley letter Read: NO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Subj: Letter & Attachments, Farley to Congressmen & FBI 4/6 Date: 95-04-08 00:13:18 EDT From: CloudRider To: ISCNIMikeL, ISCNIRon, ISCNIUschi To: LMH333, ThunderK, WStrieber To: Steve Case BCC: CNI Glenda C. Richard Farley, Jr. P. O. Box 106, Frostburg, MD 21532 April 6, 1995 Hand-Delivered to Bartlett District Office cc: Bartlett's fwd. to Schiff/ Cert. to FBI The Honorable Roscoe G. Bartlett Sixth District of Maryland U. S. House of Representatives Re: Update, and background info, "Rockefeller/UFOs" issues and other political influence efforts. Dear Congressman Bartlett: By now you and Mr. Backlin undoubtedly have assessed some of my previously submitted (beginning 10/94, as per Mr. Schiff's responses) information and supportive documentation, and as I and my attorney have been for more than a year, may be intrigued and perhaps amazed by the scope and depth of what these guys are "up to." Enclosed with this letter, my first submission since March 13, 1995 to you, Congressman Schiff and FBI Inspector-In-Charge John Collingwood (Congressional & Public Affairs), are four documents you may find interesting and helpful in your collective analyses regarding these clearly broad-spectrum attempts to influence American public opinion, and even our nation's fundamental belief systems and values, by these well-funded internationalists promoting "global mind change." These attachments all of you are now receiving cover the broader spectrum of the attendant political venues where Mr. Rockefeller and his allies, and their apparent opponents, are "working." You will note references as marked to some of the personalities and issues I have brought to your attentions previously, particularly those which reference the well-crafted, decade long build-up of the so-called "Roswell UFO crash" event, which Congressman Schiff has GAO investigating. It is noteworthy that one of the principals in the "UFO" side of things, Mr. Carl Pflock, allegedly has a family member working on Mr. Schiff's staff; (so the scuttlebutt goes around the "UFO" circles). Mr. Schiff's family name also comes in for some "hits" in the attendant fringe materials, particularly in the one-page "conspiracy" chain-letter attacking the "New World Order." My current personal view is that this Phoenix-based group may actually be a government-sponsored "antenna organization" to attract the crazed and potential "shooters" from the fringes; if so, more the power. But this element also is interwoven with the so-called "UFO" issue, as it pertains to repeated (and published) assertions that the "New World Order" crowd (focused on Laurance Rockefeller and his "Tri-Lat" brother, David), are in some way plotting to use "UFOs" and "alien contacts" to harbinge a planetary take-over, bringing about Presidential suspension of U. S. Constitutional governance. From the "left" of the "New Age / Green Movement" field, (also in the "UFO" movement as represented by Harvard's John Mack, et al.), is the most current promotional literature for the Rockefeller-funded Green Earth Foundation, Inc., a non-profit 501-c-3 organization based in El Verano, California. The highlighted names are documented elsewhere as "players" in past government-sponsored mind-control, "psychic" and related research programs, who now work for powerful international interests holding alarming world-views, in my opinions as I expressed previously. I direct your attention to my most recent "Internet" publication, dated 4/5/95. Referenced issues are on Pages 4,5 & 6, although I do hope you will read all of it. As you by now have come to discern, my somewhat "outrageous" (but not libelous) references on Page 3 are designed mostly to "ground" any online discussions, (kind of a "reverse" and hopefully benign mind-influencing). The Honorable Roscoe G. Bartlett April 6, 1995 Page Two of Two As I alerted you back in October, when first I initiated my submissions to you as well as to the then USAF Secretary, the Director of Central Intelligence and FBI Director Freeh, my primary suspicions have been that much of the so-called 'UFO' and 'alien abduction' propagation is work of mid-level intelligence and counter-intelligence operatives working "outside the charters" as well as for defense and intelligence contractors, perhaps in old but now potentially embarrassing "ops." Undoubtedly, significant elements of the overall "UFO scenario" propagation effort during the past 50 years were engendered by legitimate U.S. intelligence collection and counterintelligence operations, to protect (or to "disinform" enemies about) sensitive but exotic U.S. air defense and reconnaissance systems, deployed or under development. But resulting impacts on apparently large numbers of American citizens by perceived "alien abduction" and psychiatric abuses give this area of inquiry a different imperative, from my perspective as a journalist involuntarily ensnared in it. And undoubtedly, given the machinations in Mexico which you and your Congressional colleagues are currently investigating (as noted in your letter about these matters of March 14, 1995), you are aggressively working to protect the U. S. Constitution and to prevent its usurpation by powerful internationalists and their agents within our governmental structure. But while I hope that you have been able to break through the "giggle factor" intentionally surrounding these deadly serious issues implied by the materials I have already provided to you and the others, I also hope you do understand that I myself have not at all yet "put it together" sufficiently to publish the full story in public domain, beyond what I have been shipping across the Internet in recent weeks, (as I had alerted you and the others would be my strategy if I did not hear something to the contrary). Soon! Once my materials began to "hit" the key players in the so-called "UFOlogy" games, (both the proponents and the debunkers), my unlisted phone began to ring with unsolicited calls from men widely reputed to be "assets" of the various agencies and interests represented in the "UFO" arena. One in particular, a Mr. Dan Smith of Catonsville, Maryland, acknowledges that he is an asset of CIA staff scientist and "UFO" monitor, Dr. Ronald Pandolfi, who works out of "Foton Technologies" or some such. Pandolfi replaced Dr. "Kit" Green, now at General Motors, at this CIA "desk." Pandolfi previously met with Dr. C. B. Jones in August of 1993, a meeting I attended expressly at the invitation of Dr. Jones, before he reduced foundation operations and laid off staff. I have been completely in the public domain, Congressman, and apparently inadvertantly "punched through" into an extremely seedy level of intelligence and counterintelligence, being run not by our government or its duly constituted chains of command, but rather by forces and fiscal interests having dangerous implications for U.S. political belief systems and citizens' responses. To the degree that CIA or AFOSI, or other organizations ostensibly under control of the Executive and Legislative branches of our government may have been involved, many of these actions are patently illegal and tantamount to treasonous behaviors against us as citizens of the United States. To the extent that some of these extremely powerful "new myths" and intelligence "covers" have been perpetrated and promulgated by agents of foreign powers, as clearly may have been done by Dr. Jones on behalf of Prince Hans Adam of Leichtenstein and others in that "loop," it would be seditious. Sincerely, Dick Farley cc: The Honorable Steven Schiff, First Congressional District of NM. Inspector-In-Charge John E. Collingwood, FBI/Congress. Affairs Edgar F. Heiskell, III, Esq., Counsel to C. R. Farley, Jr. ---Page Break------------------------------------------ From Dick Farley: Attachments to Letter of April 6, 1995 to: Congressman Roscoe G. Bartlett Congressman Steven Schiff Insp.-in-Chg. John E. Collingwood / FBI 1. Green Earth Foundation, Inc.....catalog and promotional literature; highlighted and notes. 2. "Showing Its Hand: The U.S. Military And UFOs in Puerto Rico", by Scott Corrales, (published in Issue #4, of The Excluded Middle, a "UFO" periodical. (AFOSI?) Note: Long-time "UFO journalist" and professed believer in the "alien presence," Linda Moulton Howe, is currently teaching an "online" course about "UFO Activity in Puerto Rico," taking the "alien visits" line. She was an attendee at Laurance Rockefeller's private "UFO symposium" at his JY Ranch, in Jackson Hole, WY, in Sept. 1993. The online "school" where Linda Howe is "teaching" is owned by one Michael Lindemann, a California based self-described former "peace activist" who has lectured around the country about "UFOs," also from the "transformation of the planet" aspect, collateral to the Rockefeller-Mack propounded doctrines. Lindemann has denied he has any military/industrial links, but rumors about these kinds of alleged links persist in the field. Abbreviated ISCNI, Lindemann's operation can be reached at America Online, from the Welcome Screen, at "Education," then "Continuing Education," then "ISCNI." All of Howe's "class notes" are on file, or I can print and share them if relevant. The abbreviation is for "Institute for the Study of Communications with Non-human Intelligences." Annotated "ISCNI" press kit also is enclosed, relevant to "New Age/Peace & UFO" Stanford-Princeton political initiatives, to internationalize U.S. nuclear verification technology, by illegally using applied anomalous techniques for psychiatric abuse. (My separate letter to Cong. Schiff addresses this.) 3. "Jim Moseley Don't Take No Guff," by Gregory Bishop, published in Issue #4, of The Excluded Middle. (Designed to appear "fringe," generally knowledgeable info.) Mr. Moseley is a "second generation" personality in the so-called 'UFO' field, and assumes the persona of a jokester and cynic. Actually, he is a serious evaluator of the phenomena and the machinations surrounding the public elements of the phenomena. From analysis of his work, he is relatively "inside" the long-standing "UFO group vs. debunkers" network, biased to preventing in-depth evaluation of the intelligence elements of the field, as well as the more disturbing aspects none of our most serious public researchers have yet gotten a real "handle" on. 4. "Far-Right Movement Is Trying to Torpedo Plans for Conference on Returning Powers to the States." The Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, April 4, 1995. Page A-22. (About "10th Amendment" Grp.) 5. "Who's Afraid of the New World Order and One World Government? You Should Be!" (Chain letter, tagged with "Police Against New World Order," Phoenix, AZ. (Operation Vampire Killer). Note reference to "Schiff" in next to last paragraph. 6. "The 10th Amendment Resolution of the State of Colorado," (and the gamut of generic articles), The Freedom Networker, pub. by American Freedom Network, Canton, MI. Note pages 26-29, re the WSJ story 4/4/95. Persuasive indications are that some operations are "discrediting" initiatives on behalf of the very people and political processes being attacked, to deflect serious inquiries and public attention. End text file / Farley to Congressmen Bartlett & Schiff, & FBI. * RM 1.3 00257 * JESUS - Wise men STILL seek Him. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: Mutual UFO Network - (MUFON) HQ BBS (512)556-2524 (1:395/10) <<<>>> Date: 04-09-95 (10:59) Number: 85750 of 85905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: DON ALLEN Subj: Take Me To Your (Human) Leader Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Forwarded from "INFO.PARANET" * Originally by Germannvh * Originally to All * Originally dated 5 Apr 1995, 14:55 From: germannvh@aol.com (Germannvh) Date: 5 Apr 95 01:49:33 GMT Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <3lssvd$947@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo Take Me To Your (Human) Leader: Part One The Boone County Terrapin We Won't Let Go 'Till It Thunders Humanity And Its Elites The use of the term "elites" by The Terrapin has caused more than one adverse reaction. It seems that many of the people we correspond with think that the world got where it is by "accident" and that human culture and society are some sort of "objective reality" just like galactic structure or nuclear physics. At the risk of offending many readers The Terrapin says this: The belief that the United States does not have a sharply defined set of elites who effectively rule the country is bizarre. It is nothing short of university-trained idiocy. The plain truth is that there are people who count and there are people who don't. The plain truth is that without first finding out who is in charge of something you can make no statements about that something. The Romans, who ran a seriously true world-wide Empire and knew a thing or two about elites, had a saying: "Cui Bono?" Who Benefits? Until you understand who is benefiting from a particular type of social organization you can know nothing about it. That the vast majority of Americans know nothing about who is really benefiting from this particular social organization is no accident. Rather, it is the desired result of long-range planning and the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars. Americans have been "dumbed down" so far that they do not even know who their real rulers are. In fact, some of them think that THEY HAVE NO RULERS and in effect RULE THEMSELVES, a position unique to history. Other Americans think that politicians, those creatures that are made and unmade in days, run the country, an equally silly notion. The truth is that America is run by its elites, its hereditary elites, members of old-money families intermarried with other old-money families both in the USA and in Europe. Let us begin with humanity in general and work our way toward the particular, the particular type of organization prevailing today in the United States of America. What is "humanity?" As far as we know the foundations of "humanity" are the solar system itself, our genetic base and our culture. These three things are what make human beings "human." Get a handle on these three things and you are a long way toward defining what is human and can then get on with understanding human cultures and social organization. All but a very few living systems on Earth are powered by the Sun, by radiation that is filtered by the atmosphere, making it tolerable to carbon-based life. The Sun also warms the Earth, making liquid water possible. Research in space (suppressed here in the USA) has demonstrated that the human body requires the gravity and the electromagnetic field of the Earth to survive. Astronauts on long space missions in effect begin to die. Human beings are thus part of a gigantic living system tied to the Earth and our "food" must be other living things. The blood in our veins is sea water with additives. These are absolute facts. From the standpoint of the universe at large human beings are part of the Earth and the Earth is part of the solar system. At this time it is doubtful, very doubtful, that mankind will EVER be able to live for long periods of time in space or places like the Moon. Into the far future the Earth will be our only home and we are not going anywhere else. Thus we are not Star-People, we are Earth-People, a fact vitally important to humanity's future. Genetics, The Physical Foundation Of Humanity Genetics are the base upon which humanity is built. Among the most important laws of genetics are Diversity combined with Regression To The Mean. These are concepts that very few think about but are absolutely critical. These two things insure our survival and set the limits of the human form. Without it we would disapppear as the Cheetah is about to do. Example: Various human groups around the world have different heights. The average height of a pigmy is perhaps 60 per cent that of a Zulu. But everyone within the group is not the same height. The heights within the population are distributed around a mean, an average, and tend over time to move to the mean. If they did not do this then human beings might "get out of control" and get so tall that they could not be born, sort of like some hybrid cattle are now. The reason we have two sexes and live a limited span of years is to mix and remix our genetic material, guaranteeing the diversity that must exist if we are to survive. Yet, something has to keep that mixing and remixing from going wild. Attempts to "peak up" any one genetic characteristic are doomed to failure in the long run. The resultant narrowing of the gene pool means that the hybrid population becomes vulnerable to various maladies unknown to the general population. Inbreeding among the royal houses of Egypt eventually produced a race of buck-toothed people who could barely eat. This type of genetic failure is inevitable in any attempt to "hybridize" human beings. We must, in the short or long run, regress to the mean or risk disappearance. But we must also maintain diversity. This is why there are incest taboos in every culture and long-run genetic mixing is promoted between and among various "primitive" human groups. Inbreeding was recognized long ago as a huge problem to be avoided at all costs. But occasionally human beings forget. Occasionally one group sets themselves up as superior, based on tribe, or religion or intelligence or genes, ignoring the functional identity of all human beings today. This insanity has cropped up recently in our "scientific" United States. Cui Bono? Human Groups And Culture Here on the Earth human beings live in groups. The individual human being is weak and virtually unable to survive without the assistance of a group. Human beings have to eat constantly, have no fur, no sharp teeth and their skin is thin and weak. They are prone to sicknesses and their young take years and years to "grow up" and are helpless for much of that time. Humans are formidable only in groups and are easily killed one at at time. Thus, human beings make sense only in groups and the individual human being is nothing in the long run. Only in a group can the individual mate and protect his or her children. Only in a group can the human being have any power and that power can only be gained over other human beings. Human power is group power and that is that. This is so obvious that it has been forgotten in our so-called modern world. The above facts, and they are facts, implies that "evolution" expressed in ONE INDIVIDUAL makes no sense at all. Who would that individual mate with? How would that person survive? Human beings have meaning only within groups. In many so-called primitive human groups power accrues to the older males in the group, those who are thought to have gained hard experience of the world. Usually there is a committee of older males who make the big decisions But, quite frankly, there are few big decisions to make for a group living at the neolithic level. Once a human group is set up at such a level it can continue to function for an indefinite period without any decisions of consequence being made. Only if environmental conditions change do real decisions get made. Why males get to make these decisions is not known. (In the very distant past it seems that women ruled human societies.) It could be that matters of this type were so unimportant in neolithic days that they could be left to males who, over the course of time, took over--to our ultimate grief. But no-one really knows. Long ago human beings learned (seemingly in systems run by women) to scratch a living out of a tough natural world using simple tools like sticks and rocks. But the primary tools of humanity were and are language, memory, technology and the methods of group cohesion. Together we call these culture. The many advantages they give human beings can scarcely be overemphasized. These four elements, together with our genetic base, are what make us human. How we first came by them all is not known. Summary: 1) Genetics set our physical form, our weakness, our group need. 2) Culture gives power, power to survive, increase our numbers. 3) Genetics take millions of years to change us, regresses to mean. 4) Culture can change in years, months and even days. Human language is so important that it determines to this very day the composition of most large-scale human groups, now called nation-states. Only the imposition of outside force can create a nation of various language groups. Language is the way memory, technology and cohesion are expressed. Memory allows a record to be build up, a record of successes and failures, a record of what to do and what not to do. Language plus memory equals group learning at a virtual instant rate. If one human being finds a new technique and tells another, who tells another, who tells yet another--soon the whole group knows. New knowlege thus gets into the system through individual human beings and that function is very important, perhaps the second-most important function that the individual has in complex human groups (reproduction being the first). But knowledge is expressed only through the group and the power of the group. Under this rubric any agency interfering with the diffusion of knowledge is attacking humanity itself--a critical concept today. Technology allows the human group to manipulate the natural world to its own advantage. Technology plus language, memory and group cohesion allows a labor machine to be built which can construct houses, citys, dams, etc.. These in turn allow populations to increase, reinforcing the whole cycle as more and more humans learn the culture and participate. At some point in the distant past human groups attained some power over their local situation as reserve stocks of food were built up. "Civilization" began to take shape. End, Part One. Take Me To Your (Human) Leaders: Part II Humanity And Its "Elite" Groups As human groups grew in size the weakness of individual human beings began to be important in new and different ways. Complex systems of group living required that humans in the groups become specialized by what we now call "occupation." Since human beings learn best when young the children of family groups tend to learn the "job" of their parents. What could be more natural? We all know how important family relationships are. Thus, over time, every human group developed "elite families" who, probably through one truly outstanding member who happened to be in the right "occupation" at the right time, took "command" of the group. The exact mechanism for this is not known but the results are not in doublt. Even in Sumerian times 5,000 years ago there were kings and royal families lording it over everyone else. These elite groups wasted no time in taking over the mechanisms of power within their own human groups. They soon "took control" of culture and made themselves the most important things in it. The King became the State. This phenomenon repeated itself worldwide. Why, no-one knows. It is one of the great unanswered questions of history. The Royal Family and its retainers supervised "religion" and "education" for the group. The primary function was to make sure that everyone knew, from Year One, who was in charge. In every age state-controlled "education" and "religion" has always had this as one of its primary functions, making sure everyone learns very young who is in charge and who is not. Thus, over time, the status of the various royal groups became like the moon and stars to the next generation of group members and nothing could be more natural than to be ruled by the Windsors or Hohenzollerns or whomever. In time every royal group became profligate and ordinary through the inevitable regression to the mean. Even the importation of foreign talent usually could not help. That meant that the eventual mistakes of royalty provoked inevitable opposition and there was recourse to the army--which led to tyranny. Then would come the eventual revolution and the founding of a new dynasty based on the same faulty set of foundations. So it has gone these many thousands of years. This story is what we generally refer to, in its current debased state, as "history." If it were not for regression to the mean, if intelligent people really begat more and more intelligent people, the rest of us would by now all be living under the power of a super-human race, wouldn't we? Yes, we very well would. But no, regression to the mean precludes any human creation of such a human super-race. But where did we come from? Are there any more out there like us, or better than us, ready to come onto the world stage? No-one knows. The fact of history is this: All previous "civilizations" have eventually broken down. As near as can be told they all were based on some sort of "royal system" with inherited power. As soon as this center of inherited power became more interested in its own continuance than in the continuance of the group then that "royal system" was on the way out. This in turn meant that the whole group was on the way out. If a group has stupid elites it is in big trouble. Viz: The United States today. Summary: 1) Human beings are weak, must exist in groups to survive. 2) Language, Memory, Technology, Group Cohesion are our tools. 3) The above make up culture, which is meaningful only in groups. 4) It is environment plus genetics plus culture that makes us human. 5) Group living plus culture lead to "elite family groups." 6) Elite groups eventually succumb to regression to the mean. 7) Thus, human civilizations have all eventually fallen. The Situation Today Today there are many things to worry about, the media are full of them. But something that no-one worries about happens to be what The Terrapin thinks is the most important and dangerous of all. This is the fact that "Westernism," a certain type of human culture, has become installed throughout the world. For the first time in human history the elites of the entire planet share the same cultural framework and will therefore make the same sets of mistakes. This bodes terrible evil for the world. It is as if one race of human being annihlated all the others. Its idiocyncratic vulnerabilities to disease and madness would by default become humanity's vulnerability to disease and madness. Most of this installation of Westernism has been by force, through the means of actual invasion. This is one of the stars in our crown. Here in North America the Europeans slaughtered the people they found here, as they did in places like Australia. Most of the rest of the installation has occured as the elites of places like Japan and China embraced our culture in a defensive mode, figuring that if they were to save anything of themselves they would have to partially join the white man in his march of progress. Today the Chinese pump terrific amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, determined to "modernize" the same way we did--with coal. If they really do take the same route we did then they will throw six to ten times as much carbon dioxide into the air as we did in our industrial revolution. What will the effect of this be on our planet? Who knows? And no-one can stop it, either. The human race today is running a huge experiment on itself and its planet. Our perceptions of this experiment come to us down the pipeline of the mass media, an organ owned and controlled by our elites. Who are these people? What is their history? What are they doing? Are they competent? The United States And Its Elites The elites of the United States are the descendents of Europeans who came here over the last century or two to plunder "unexplored" and "unclaimed" territory. The fact that there were already human beings living here meant nothing. Those human beings were less than human to Christian, Western men and so they were exterminated. Thus the United States is based on plunder and slaughter. Part of it was also based on out and out slavery. Since the natives would not "work" and in fact fought back, they had to be killed. But cheap labor was needed and so calls went back to Europe for more. Cheap labor came but it still wasn't numerous enough or cheap enough for the "plantation system" dreamed about by some of these Christian, Western men. So they brought in thousands of slaves purchased from the empires of various "civilizations" in Africa--one "civilization" dealing with another one, you might say. In the meantime plunder and slaughter continued until all the natives of North America were killed or driven into distant enclaves. The country filled up with Europeans of all stripes, most of them adventurous, restless and intelligent. Thus our original elites, colonial overseers all, were able to import human talent that they could, by what amounted to imperial decree, control. This began at the beginning and has continued ever since. Such a system needs a powerful ideology, an ideology totally at variance with reality. Thus the United States adopted a Constitution based on so-called "rights of man" which also allowed 3/5ths representation to slave owners for each slave they owned. This is hypocracy at a level too much even for Orwell. And this hypocracy is continuing today as millions of illegals are allowed to come here, filling the lower-payed niches in our rapidly disintegrating society. That this newest batch of immigrants cannot have the quality of those who came here in the last century can't be helped, European whites are staying home in a rapidly rebuilding European system. The best we can do is to get adventurous and intelligent people from Latin America and Asia, allowed to leave by their host governments because to keep them all at home would certainly lead straight to revolution and war. Individually these people are fine but these newcomers will not help the USA with its stability problems, not at all. The 1990s will not be pretty. End, Part II. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: * A UFO..What's that? <-> FidoNet UFO Moderator * (1:3618/2) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (11:15) Number: 85822 of 85905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: DON ALLEN Subj: WYTHEVILLE, VA. "UFO" AER Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) * Forwarded from "INFO.PARANET" * Originally by Density 4 * Originally to All * Originally dated 1 Apr 1995, 15:39 From: density4@aol.com (Density 4) Date: 31 Mar 95 19:51:13 GMT Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <3lhmfh$no6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo Wytheville, Va. "UFO" aerial ballet: In which we watch the next "UFO sighting" report being born. By Dick Farley Two days ago along Interstate 81 near Wytheville, Virginia, motorists reportedly were lined up along the highway watching two large silver balls perform aerial maneuvers in the sky. Honest! One witness reported that when the spheres would dive down toward the highway, the many onlookers would scatter and run. Several of the witnesses had video cameras and were taping the aerial display, which reportedly occurred in daylight. (?) But one witness... (who is a friend of one of "our" guys) ...noted that two of the video taping set-ups were mounted on tripods. What a coincidence. How prepared those lucky "eyewitnesses" were! The obvious suggestion was of a staged "UFO" sighting, to create the next news hook for evolving UFO hoaxes, some of which are demonstrably "covers" for exotic reconnaissance aircraft of U.S. and perhaps other governments and military branches. Others allegedly are more sinister kinds of events, staged by powerful international cults intent on destabilizing cultural and religious underpinnings of American society, so as to seize Post-Cold War high ground in the global political power game. The decades-long UFO quest has been fronted by various so-called flying saucer investigation organizations, most of which appeared with full complements of governmental or military related personnel claiming some "previous access to secret documents and photos." These groups typically have spun out various UFO stories, which other similarly well-orchestrated folks' "debunking efforts" then deflate, amid ridicule and derision for innocent believers who get caught up in the game. Then it all cycles again. And again. And again. Many of the so-called UFO investigation organizations, and leading- light personalities in the self-styled pseudo-science called "UFOlogy," in recent years have been claiming the UFOs carry alien visitors to Earth, bringing a new planetary agenda. Many of these terrestrial advocates for our visiting "ETs", including a Harvard psychiatric faculty member who reportedly is now under fire from a faculty committee at that venerable establishment university, hail the invading "aliens" as friends come to "transform Earth to a new, higher plane of being." More cynical interpreters read the same signs as, "They are here to kill a lot of us, then possess the bodies of those who survive!" Obviously the happier assessment picks up the most followers. Others claiming scholarship in the field suggest that most so-called UFO proponents are suffering a kind of collective psychosis, which some neuroscientists (including one who held a senior post in the U. S. Central Intelligence Agency) fear is a subtle pandemic sweeping across the planet, raising up cults and cultists to new fever pitches of apocalyptic millenialism. The most interesting and internally consistent of approaches according to serious students of the field in all of its seeming manifestations, is one which describes the source phenomena termed UFOs as more akin to long-standing reports of psi infestations of human minds by non-human intelligences (NHI). These hypothesized NHIs have operated throughout human history in a variety of semantic camouflages, depending on the cultural contexts and scientific philosophies by which various host cultures defined themselves, with respect to their physical and psychological landscapes. Our own materialist, Newtonian-clockwork historical view of our physical and mental environments has apparently left Western society vulnerable to this type of infestation, as if to a new pathogen for which there are neither identifiable acknowledgments nor antibiotics. A lot of us are getting sick. Faeries, leprechauns, angels, demons, ghosts and alien visitors all may inhabit similar interstitial spaces in human perceptual gaps, perhaps engendered by physical limitations of our anthropocentric sensate foci. Many cultures had folkloric contexts and "cures." Ours, which doesn't see them, does not. Formerly called demonic possession, and still described as such in the Roman Catholic Church and in many other cultures worldwide today, this paradigm has drawn modern descriptors for the phenomenon from its American researchers. These include clinical depossession, as it is termed by practitioners such as Dr. Edith Fiore, psychiatrist Dr. Raymond Moody and other pioneers of this research, and Spirit Releasement Therapy, as trademarked by Florida-based therapist Dr. William Baldwin. Dr. Baldwin, a retired dentist who is becoming noteworthy as a psychologal counselor and hypnotherapist, said he also has encountered "ET" presences in some of his clients. And some of these clients, Dr. Baldwin reports, have attained varying degrees of "relief" from a range of subtle apparent perceptual manipulations by these purported non-human intelligences, which the therapist hypnotically employing regression therapy found nested in his clients' spiritual bodies, seemingly causing their hosts to suffer from psychological or spiritual dysfunctions and physical ailments. In other words, these "things" live where we can't see them, and quantum physicists have recently joined theologians and aboriginal shamans in telling us scientific materialists how arrogant we are to believe that: because we can't see them, this means they aren't there. They are, and always were. Whatever they actually may turn out to be. Electricity, bacteria, viruses and even x-rays and ionizing radioactive emissions come to mind as "things that weren't there," but which had measurable effects on human existence. Heck, less than 150 years ago a physician was expelled from his own medical community for having the gall to suggest that, if physicians would wash their hands before moving from pregnant woman to pregnant woman during pelvic examinations, then the high rate of fatal infections of mothers and fetuses might be lowered. "Germs...bah, humbug." The "establishment doctors" didn't buy into the theories of Pasteur and Lister. Women died. Understandable it is then, why psychiatrists and many, many psychologists are all rushing to find some paradigm in which these mental infestations or infections can be treated by their respective approaches. What with health care managers demanding definitive diagnoses and pre-adopted reimbursement levels, if psychoses of alien abductions turned out to be some kind of a "bug," then the counselors would lose a major market share to the drug pushers (read that neuro- pharmacologists), while the market for incense and imported idols of the Buddha and the Hindu pantheon of old gods would dry up, leaving aging hippies again without employment. Who will buy all their drums and rattles? Scoundrels among the psychological journalism community, and not a few historians, have pointed out that our coming Millenium is exclusively an artifact of our dominance by a European-American Gregorian calendar, imposed in 1582 A.D. by a long-dead Roman Catholic pope. The Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew, Maori and Lakota, Hopi, Apache and nearly every other human tribal culture have all been collectively head-scratching and wondering (when they are not laughing politely behind their own hands) what on Earth is wrong with the faith of these folks who measure time from the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus (Yeshua), whom they claim as their Saviour? Proclaimed by these same Euro-Christian folks as the Son of God come to Earth...who ran afoul of the local Judaic elite, was crucified by their Roman governers and died on their cross, this Jesus is said to have transcended his fatal end in order to liberate his followers from just these kinds of cults and magical mystery manipulations of the old shamanistic traditions which are now rising again into social prominence. Increasingly with fatal consequences for believers and society. While many of the contemporary followers of Jesus and his teachings apparently are in almost complete panic from their onrushing awareness that perhaps what he predicted long ago is really coming true, the rest of our predominantly materialistic and despotic consumerized society is swilling psychotropic drugs like Prozac, while still others create and worship new gods, dig up old gods and sink into computerized realities of their own creation. The really confused go shopping, and commit pizza-cholesterol suicides. Globally, most of the world's peoples believe Americans and their Euro-Allies need to "relax," now that their Cold War has been replaced by a less organized chaos stemming from wanton nuclear and oil profiteering: despotic barbarism by a handfull of multinational corporations and their powerful bankers. Not a new phenomenon in the aftermath of war and lengthy warlike footings, but it's the first time those living today have seen it. Simply changing the U.S. calendric system would take care of the rapidly approaching Millenium...just as changing clocks an hour forward or backward in Spring and Fall handles inconvenient asynchronous behaviors of our Sun...which we here on the Third Rock Out can not change. But there already is such an industry of publishers and panic-television programming, as well as solid upswings in rates of religious payments via bank credit cards and "900" numbers to psychic hot-lines, that American economists and telephone company stockholders are loathe to kill the goose that is laying these golden eggs, feathering their bottom lines. The most prominent UFO aliens, who seemingly have been doing brisk business abductin--- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Radio Free Milw. 414-3526176HST Freq.UFOFILES Paranet (1:154/414) <<<>>> Date: 04-10-95 (22:18) Number: 85875 of 85905 (Refer# NONE) To: JODY WEBER From: CLIFF SIEBEN Subj: The Truth Is Out There Read: NO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) A short time ago, I got a slip account through a local service provider and started paying around on the internet. I started to do queries on various topics, like unidentified flying object, ufo, etc., and managed to find all kinds of pictures in various file formats, and other information on these topics. Then I did a search on a couple of names. Neil A. Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Gordon Cooper, and a few others. That's when I hit the jackpot. These three astronauts I believe, are fairly intelligent people. Why would the say they know of technologically, highly advanced terrestrials? Why would they claim that these extra terrestrials have been around for a long time? Why would they claim that there is an Alien base on the other side of the moon (the side that never shows itself to the earth, the same side you can't find any pictures of, from NASA or any other source)? Did you see the UFO objects appear on tv during the media circus event promoted by NASA (so they could get extra funding) when they were sending up a shuttle so the Hubble telescope could be repaired? Did you know that NASA (only NOW, after the live ufo shots embarrassingly transmitted by NASA during this shuttle event) encrypts all transmissions to earth and puts it on a tape delay before networks get the feed? Did you know that Gordon Cooper made a brief to the United Nations in 1978, in which he told them about the extraterrestrials? Did you know that Neil Armstrong wrote a letter to President Ronald Reagan about the UFO phenomenon and that he and others in the NASA space program were ordered to take whatever steps were necessary to prevent the general public from finding out about extrraterrestrial visitations? Did you know that there is a law (found in the Library of Congress) on the books that gives the NASA administrator wide-ranging draconian powers to seize (abduct might be a better word) any person who has been exposed to an extra terrestrial vehicle or being? The law is still on the books, and is written so that no Supreme Court judge, no lawyer in the land, could ever do anything about it, and in fact, can be construed to mean that you could be seized without anyone being informed that you were seized, or where you are being "quarantined"? The truth is out there. The problem is weeding through all the crap to come up with the real evidence. I would encourage anyone that is interested to start their own little investigation. I could hand over my information, but I think one tends to think a little more seriously about what they find when they find it themselves. One more interesting tidbit, some information will show up in your searches, and then you will find NO ACCESS to the government computer where it is stored. Try again. And again. Sometimes people make mistakes, and files become available temporarily. I found that out in one instance, trying to get one file several times a day over a 3 week period. I finally got it, but it's not available again it seems. It sure is interesting. I can't say here what it says, cause if I do, the administrator of NASA might think I know too much and lock me up. But it sure is VERY interesting. I hope you find it. Good luck. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: The Temporal Zone BBS * Port Alberni, BC * 604-724-2814 (1:3410/250) <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (22:05) Number: 85957 of 86101 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: GARRY RENTZ Subj: Cooking With CSICOP Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (+) Perhaps this essay will help the CSICOP defenders who request name, rank, serial number, and the names of your dogs (CoCo, Rocky, and Smokey!). ======================= CSICOP: Cooking the Data © by Garry Rentz, April 9, 1995. Originally posted on OneNet UFO Watchers This essay may be reprinted in whole or in part if proper credit is given. The Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP) has received its share of vilification by UFO believers. Is this wrath deserved or is the organization receiving a bum rap? Unfortunately the picture that the organization has painted is not pretty. This essay will examine a number of CSICOPÕs attempts to sort out the legitimate from the fraudulent in the paranormal field. The organization got off to a rather rocky start after its founding in 1976. In an article in Fate magazine (1), one of the now-disillusioned originators of CSICOP discussed the lengths to which the members would go to in order to debunk what they considered bunk. Dennis Rawlins was on the board of the organizationÕs Executive Council from 1976 to 1979 He was Associate Editor of CSICOPÕs journal from 1976 to 1980 (then called the Zetetic and now the Skeptical Inquirer). In its first foray into the real world of scientific inquiry CSICOP commissioned a statistical study to counter the results of a large-scale statistical sampling done by the French statistician, Michael Gauquelin. The predictions of astrology appeared to be confirmed by GauquelinÕs analysis and CSICOP set out to dispose of it. Rawlins claims that the people at CSICOP had rebuttal on their minds - not an impartial inquiry. Astrology postulates that sports champions are more likely to be born at certain positions ("Mars rising" and "Mars transiting"). Although the Mars locations occupy about 17% of Zodiacal positioning, 22% of the European sports champions in the Gauquelin study were born at the times in question. The odds against this discrepancy are statistically significant, in the order of several million to one. In their fervor to put a stop to the heresy, the heroes at CSICOP were caught with their hands in the experimental cookie jar. They had gone on their witch hunts in order to discover the machinations of psychic charlatans; now they were seen to be involved in the cooking of data, a crime made much more heinous, considering their previous vicious attacks. According to Rawlins, hereÕs what happened. The CSICOP report claimed that the deviation found in the Gauquelin study could be explained by "the Mars/dawn effect." In other words, when Mars is "rising," relative to a position on Earth, it is around dawn at that place (I am not very-well versed in astrological terms). The fact that 22 percent of sports champions were born at this time was not significant, the CSICOP report claimed, because 22 percent of all humans are born in this period. Women are slightly more likely to go into final labor in the early morning hours. As it turns out, CSICOP juggled figures to come up with its alleged repudiation of the Gauquelin study. The total number of sports champions was 'accidentally' reduced from 2088 to 303. If the correct number had been used, the CSICOP study would have actually confirmed the astrology data. As Robert Anton Wilson has commented, "If CSICOP caught a parapsychologist or astrologer doing something similar they would call it 'fraud' or 'cooking the data'." (2) But things went from bad to down-right sinister after this. The statistical chicanery was discovered by Rawlins and Professor Elizabeth Scott of the statistics department of University of California in early 1977. In his role as a member of the CSICOP executive council, Rawlins began to press to have the problem assessed. When he found that he was getting nowhere he wrote a letter to the CSICOP journal regarding the matter. Publication of his letter was refused even though Rawlins was Associate Editor. Rawlins next did a follow-up study that, interestingly, disagreed with the French study. In his report of his study to be published in the CSICOP journal, Rawlins included a section discussing the errors in the CSICOP study. CSICOP refused to allow this section to be published in the journal although they verbally agreed to include a sentence stating that the article had been censored. When Rawlins read the published version of the article he found that even this sentence had been omitted. As Wilson puts it, Ò[T]hey not only censored him but censored his attempt to tell readers they were censoring him.Ó After a refereed decision favorable to Rawlins was also censored, he tried to speak out at a CSICOP press conference. The press conference was ended abruptly before Rawlins had an opportunity to speak. At this point the CSICOP executive had had enough of Rawlins and kicked him off the board. The schemes to hunt down and kill anything that poses a threat to the Fundamentalist dogma espoused by the members of CSICOP are legendary. Take the case of Martin Gardner and the Stanford ESP studies. Gardner, it should be noted, is one of CSICOPÕs star Inquisitors. Physicists Targ and Puthoff (3) conducted a series of experiments, some of which involved a "random-target generator," a contraption that could be called an ESP teaching machine. In an effort to determine whether subjects could learn to improve their ESP performance, volunteers were required to guess the targets generated by this machine over a series of twenty-five trials. One of the more proficient subjects guessed correctly "at odds of better than l,000,000:1." In a Scientific American article, Gardner, a regular columnist for the publication, screamed ÒfraudÓ. Without any proof he alleged that the subjects Òprobably turned in the good runs and threw away the bad." Targ and Puthoff showed the impossibility of GardnerÕs allegation. All the results were recorded on continuous fanfold paper tape. The ÒguessesÓ were recorded in sequence for each trial of each subject. As a further prevention against cheating by the subjects, all the tests were videotaped. Had Gardner not taken the typical CSICOP approach and had he simply asked the Stanford scientists about the controls built into the experiment, he probably would not have come out of the affair looking like one of GalileoÕs Inquisitors. How did Gardner respond? He stated that someone told him that the tapes were turned in in bits and pieces! Scientific looseness of this magnitude comes easy when one assumes a priori that such things as ESP are impossible. Targ and Puthoff were astonished by the responses of the knee-jerk critics who began with the unbelievably unscientific assumption that "we know in advance that telepathy, etc., cannot occur." The editors of Scientific American showed slightly more integrity than did the Executive Board of CSICOP in that they, at least, allowed Targ and Puthoff to respond to GardnerÕs spurious charges. However, they should not be let off the hook. They should have realized that having a CSICOP hatchet man on staff was going to lead to trouble. There is evidence that CSICOP motives go beyond scientific skepticism and enter the dark world of politics and intelligence. The British author Jenny Randles in her book The UFO Conspiracy provides indirect evidence for the long-held belief that another one of CSICOPÕs heroes works for one of the many U.S intelligence organizations. Ms. Randles relates an incident involving Philip Klass that has political overtones. In 1983 Klass attempted to convince the University of Nebraska that allowing Ms.Randles to lecture would lend sympathy to communists. In their book, Mind Reach, Targ and Puthoff describe the ÒbelieverismÓ approach used by Gardner, Klass, and their CSICOP cohorts: Òthe taking of a position on the basis of an a priori belief, in this case a belief in the non existence of paranormal functioning. All this is not very encouraging to researchers like ourselves who dream of a world in which observations count, not belief structure.Ó The infamous Òprayer requestÓ sent out to members in November, 1994 by Barry Karr, the Executive Director of CSICOP reveals a great deal about the true intentions of the organization. In his commentary on KarrÕs tract, John R. Cliff , saw not the work of an objective scientific organization, but rather the solicitation plea of Òa fundamentalist religion, stamping out heretics and blasphemers.Ó (4) And what is Karr rallying his soldiers against? The fictional X-Files and tabloid television shows such Sightings and Encounters are the scary things that go bump in the dark. Karr introduces images of CSICOP gunslingers Robert Baker and Philip Klass, frazzled and haggard, doing battle with the charlatan, John Mack. Onward Atheist Soldiers! The tone of the Karr tract appears to specify an underlying ideological agenda. The Cliff posting evaluated this impression by stating, ÒCSICOP's express agenda of snuffing out the voice of all who would dare even *ask* questions about the universe, is a frightening position, one akin to a modern inquisition. Considering how science was treated in the last inquisition, you would think these modern high priests of the reductionist paradigm would be a tad bit more tolerant of their fellow man.Ó While it is relatively easy to take pot shots at Robert Baker, Philip Klass, and the rest of the csi-cops assigned to be true believers, it takes much more skill to put on the night vision goggles and view the fleeting ghostly images of their masters. Certainly the Custodians, as Bramley (5) calls these men with no faces, exhibit much more ideological purity. They pledge allegiance only to raw power and its chief by-product, gold. Perhaps the clearest examinations of the vapor trails left by the phantasms who run the academic/ scientific/ military/ industrial complex are in the writings of Buckminster Fuller (6), L. Fletcher Prouty (7), and Noam Chomsky (8). And perhaps it is time to take another look at the basics that these authors provide. NOTES AND CITATIONS (1) Rawlins, Dennis, Star Baby, Fate Magazine, October, 1981. (2) Wilson, R.A., The New Inquisition, Scottsdale: New Falcon Publications, 1987. (3) Targ, Russell, & Puthoff, Harold, Mind-Reach, New York: Delacorte Books,1977. (4) Cliff, John R., Re: CSICOP *IS* a Dogmatic Religious Organization, johnrcliff@aol.com, January, 1995. (5) Bramley, William, The Gods of Eden, New York: Avon Books, 1990. (6) Fuller, R. Buckminster, Critical Path, New York: St.MartinÕs Press, 1981. In a grand fashion, Fuller lays out a view of history based upon the concept that since ancient times the show has been run by a group of Òvastly ambitious individuals who [have] become so effectively powerful because of their ability to remain invisible while operating behind the national scenery.Ó (7) Prouty, L. Fletcher, JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy, New York: Birch Lane Press, 1992. Col. ProutyÕs book on the Cold War years leading up to the assassination of JFK and onward into Vietnam, superbly describes how huge world events are orchestrated by the power elites. Prouty was in the loop, as it were, during the reign of the Dulles brothers. This book is essential if we are to begin to comprehend the enormity of the task that is faced by those attempting to gain an understanding of the UFO / alien question. Prouty is the character represented in the movie JFK by Donald Sutherland. If you, like me, didnÕt understand his rap the first time through, read this book (Of course, I still havenÕt fathomed the problem). (8) Herman, Edward S., & Chomsky, Noam, Manufacturing Consent, New York: Pantheon Books, 1988. In a series of case studies, Herman and Chomsky demonstrate how the propaganda machine of the New World Order, under the guise of Òfreedom of the press,Ó controls and shapes the news. While the censorship tactics used by CSICOP pale when compared with the pictures emblazoned on the pages of this book, one should think of CSICOP as one piece in the jigsaw that is continually being set together by the Controllers. --- Aeolus v1.1 (#35512202) * Origin: RedDAUG Online, the Red Deer Apple Users Group BBS (1:3417/15) <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (22:33) Number: 85969 of 86101 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: SCOTT HALL Subj: Beijing Airport UFO Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (+) Hello All, ======================================================================== From : Andre Colbert 3:712/393 28 Mar 95 19:50:06 To : All 28 Mar 95 19:50:06 Subj : UFO over Beijing airport ======================================================================== Does anyone have any additional information about a radio news report about 2 weeks ago which stated that a jumbo jet trying to land at Beijing airport had toabort because of a UFO that "hovered in the vicinity of the airport for over an hour." It was also reported that the jet had lost its radar when the UFO camewithin 2 km of the plane. ======================================================================== * Forwarded by Scott Hall (3:712/393) * Area : SYSOP_MSGS ( Local - Messages to Sysop) * From : Andre Colbert, 3:712/393 (01 Apr 95 22:56) * To : Scott Hall * Subj : Beijing Airport UFO ======================================================================== The news broadcast about a UFO over Beijing Airport came over the Triple JJJ waves while on hold during a telephone conversation. Several weeks prior to that, a brief news article appeared in the Daily Telegraph Mirror about a report out of Hong Kong. I have a copy of the clip. It reads as follows: "Hong Kong: Chinese scientists are investigating an incident in which 3 km of forest trees in South western China were inexpicably chopped in half within a few minutes. The trees had all been cut down to between 1.5m and 4m above the ground by what witnesses described as "a train hanging in the air", the Hong Kong based Express Daily said. Beijing has sent six experts to assist scientists in Guiyang, capital of Guizhou province." Any information on these incidents???? ====================================================================== Kind Regards, Scott Hall FidoNet 3:712/393 Internet Scott.Hall@alien.asstdc.com.au --- All is One! * Origin: A.L.I.E.N. BBS * Sydney Australia * +61-2-743-5871 (3:712/393) <<<>>> Date: 04-12-95 (22:15) Number: 86098 of 86101 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOHN POWELL Subj: Richard Price Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (+) FYI, from the April issue of OMNI Magazine (OMNI, ISSN 0149-8711, Copyright 1995 by Omni Publications International Ltd., 1965 Broadway, New York, NY 10023-5965. Published monthly with a subscription rate of $24/yr.) Project Open Book: Alien Implant Or--Human Underwear? (Vol. 17, No. 7, April 1995, pp. 46-48) By Patrick Huyghe For Richard Price, a single traumatic childhood incident has thrown a terrifying shadow over the last four decades of his life. One evening in September 1955, near a cemetery in Troy, New York, Price claims, he encountered a couple of humanoids who took him aboard their craft and injected an implant under his skin. Now, a scientist from a world-class university has analyzed that implant and reached a fascinating conclusion. Price, who was then 8 years old, has never forgotten the episode, especially the moment the aliens implanted something into his--now that the Bobbitt trial has made the word media-acceptable--penis. "I was tied down to a table in the center of the room," he recalls, "and they had used a machine to scan over my body up to my neck. Then they took this implant from the table and put it at the end of this long needle attached to some type of box and cable. When they inserted the needle into my skin I could see on a monitor in front of me an enlargement where it looked like they were hooking up wires underneath my skin. Then, after they took the needle out and shut everything off, one of them came over to me and, before he helped me put my clothes back on, said: `Leave it alone, or you'll die."' Price reports he was too frightened to tell his parents about the incident. But in 1964 while in high school he did tell a girlfriend and within a week everyone in school was calling him "the spaceman." Finally, after getting into a fight, he was called to see the principal, who referred him to the school psychologist. Price underwent a battery of psychological tests and was given various medications. But since no one had even heard of UFO abductions back then, he eventually ended up in a state hospital. He was released after three months, but only after "admitting" to the doctors on his case that the incident had never occurred. More than a dozen years would pass before Price could bear to relate this bizarre tale again, once more trying to convince the outside world it was real. After talking to UFO investigators in 1981, Price was urged to visit a doctor who, amazingly, confirmed the presence of a foreign object in his penis. But since Price felt no discomfort from it, the doctor suggested that nothing needed to be done. Then in June 1989, while getting dressed, Price noticed the "implant" protruding above the skin, and about two months later it came out. The object was roughly cylindrical, rounded at both ends, and had at least six small appendages. Tiny, measuring about 1 millimeter wide and 4 millimeters deep, it had an amber colored interior and a white shell. Within two weeks Price had turned over a portion of the "implant" to David Pritchard, a scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who believes scientists should look seriously at the abduction phenomenon. Pritchard says he agreed to analyze the "implant" for one simple reason: "Proving that life exists elsewhere in the universe would be the biggest scientific discovery of all time." For Pritchard, however, that dream must wait. Indeed, the MIT scientist found the object was made of "the kind of material elements and chemicals--carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, and compounds--one would expect if the object were biological in origin and formed right here on planet Earth." A dermatopathologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, moreover, supports Pritchard's conclusion. Thomas Flotte found that the "implant" consists of concentric layers of fibroblasts, a type of cell found in connective tissue, extracellular material like collagen, and some external cotton fibers. The human body apparently produces such calcified tissue in response to injury, either from foreign material like a piece of glass or a wood splinter, or from a trauma of some kind, caused perhaps by a baseball or a table corner. "This calcification process is common," says Flotte, "though the penis is not a site of trauma all that often." The cotton fibers probably came from Price's underwear; they became incorporated into the body tissue as it hardened. Pritchard, who with Harvard psychiatrist John Mack organized an abduction conference held at MIT in the summer of 1992, knows of one other penile implant case; upon examination, that implant, too, turned out to be calcified damaged tissue of terrestrial, and human, origin. But despite the rather mundane outcome, Pritchard feels that the Price implant case is as good as anyone in the business of analyzing possible extraterrestrial artifacts is likely to get. "I thought this object had an extremely good pedigree because it was associated with a conscious recollection," notes Pritchard, "and Price even has a doctor's report indicating that he had something under his skin 10 years ago." While Pritchard found no sign that the "implant" was an alien artifact, he states his investigation does not rule out the extremely remote possibility that, as believers might argue, the calcified tissue was actually manufactured by aliens. "It's possible," he explains, "that the aliens are so clever that they can make devices that serve their purposes yet appear to have a prosaic origin as natural products of the human body and fibers from cotton underwear. So this case only rules out the possibility of clumsy aliens. It doesn't rule out the possibility of super-clever aliens." Other ideas, however, might make more sense. For instance, given the recent connection some scientists have made between the mind and body, it has been suggested that Price may have "induced" the implant much like people who practice visualization exercises have been shown to improve their T-cell counts, boosting the immune system. But psychologists reject the notion that Price's belief in aliens might somehow have provoked the growth. "To willfully create such a calcification is highly unlikely," says Kentucky psychologist Robert Baker, author of Hidden Memories, "almost as unlikely as an alien implant." Baker also largely dismisses the possibility that Price might be using an alien encounter story to cover up an episode of childhood sexual abuse. "While such things are possible," he says, "it's not usually the case. In fact, over the years we've discovered that people remember very clearly cases of childhood sexual abuse. It's not a question of repression." More likely, notes Baker, Price's so-called aliens were a hallucination associated with a sleep paralysis episode. The paralysis typically results in very shallow breathing, which reduces the oxygen input to the brain. In some people, such oxygen reduction stimulates the sexual centers. "And then later on if he found anything wrong with his genitals," says Baker, "he would attribute whatever the problem was to what the hallucinated aliens did." But how did the "implant" get there in the first place? William Cone, a psychologist in private practice in Newport Beach, California, thinks he knows the answer. "To my knowledge we have yet to recover an implant that resembles anything alien," he states. "Instead, the chances of somebody finding a little something wrong with his or her body are greater than we think. Statistically, if you look at the population at large, you are going to see a lot of people who have had growths and bumps and pieces of stuff stuck in their body. Out of that large population, some people interested in abductions are going to find things in their body, and as far as I am concerned, that is probably what happened here." Meanwhile Price, in an effort to come to grips with the turmoil this and two subsequent alien encounters have caused, is in the process of writing a book about it all with a surprisingly down-to-earth title: WHAT AFFECTS YOUR LIFE. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:261/1201) <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (22:38) Number: 6014 of 6041 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: DON ALLEN Subj: Decode.com Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) This is a runnable text file. This is the DECODER for the uuencoded text (that funny looking wierd stuff) in the next few messages. With a text editor delete all the information above the "cut here" line. The first actual data line must be "ENC.COM.B&F=" and the last line must be "z!1". 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It will decode, just follow the above instructions, ignoring the bit about "Next, save all of those encoded messages (that funny looking wierd stuff) to a single file in sequential order".....errol] Date: 04-11-95 (22:38) Number: 6011 of 6041 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: DON ALLEN Subj: Future US Map? .GIF Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) A possible future map of the United States? This 464x320 2 color GIF shows some interesting geologic changes per the "Earth Changes" scenarios as outlined by Lori Toye and Gordon Michael Scallion. According to this map, California as we know it is gone and in it's place are the "islands of California". Nevada is gone underwater, as is most of Utah, Washington State and Oregon, on the West Coast. The map shows that in the mid-region of the U.S., the Great Lakes have reclaimed land on all sides; that all the lakes are joined together, flowing into a much wider Mississippi. This supposed new change in the shape of the Missisippi submerges most of Louisiana and east Texas in the process. The map shows that on the East coast, 3/4 of Florida is underwater and the entire East coast inland all the way up past Vermont is submerged. New York City is shown underwater as are D.C. and Baltimore, Boston, etc. The scale shown in the GIF is too small to be made out but it shows 0, 50, 100, 200 and 300 mile increments in the original. The shaded/streaked areas denote states shown under water in the map. The page I have here of this map doesn't indicate a date or time frame for this supposedly to take place. 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Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) The following is an article I wrote that recently appears in the March, 1995 issue of the HUFON Report. Hope you fine it stimulating. WHO SHOULD DO UFO AND ALIEN ABDUCTION INVESTIGATION? by: Dale Musser Questions have been raised about UFO sightings investigators, and alleged alien abduction investigators, who they should be, and what qualifications they should have. No one will disagree with the idea that investigations should be done by specially trained technical people with forensic and scientific skills. That is the idealistic approach. It is one which, unfortunately, does not seem to be workable in our profit oriented society, or practical in the funded branches of scientific research. The problem with this approach is the willingness, time and money. Let me say from the start that there are some extremely qualified individuals within the scientific community who are both willing and open minded enough to deal with investigations into these phenomena in the fashion it deserves. For these individuals the primary problem seems to be one of time and money. Forensic evaluation of data is expensive. Laboratories', material and equipment required to analyze evidence is very expensive and most institutions are not willing to donate the use of their equipment or personnel to examine samples collected at alleged incidents. In part there is a prejudice on behalf of many of the institutions harboring the needed equipment and materials. A prejudice which take the position that the answers are already known and therefore the evidence need not be looked at. Dr. Karl Sagan, for all his brilliance demonstrates this persona all too well. While I admire Dr. Sagan brilliance as an astronomer, I am amazed at his closed minded view of scientific discovery. He assumes it is impossible for any civilization to reach us from the stars because of the vast distances and the speed necessary to make the journey. Base on what we know scientifically that is correct, but let us not forget that 100 years ago it wasalso considered scientifically impossible to break the sound barrier. Television was a scientifically impossible in the 1800's, not because of the laws of science but because of our ignorance of them. The assumption that something seems to defy the laws of science (as we know them) cannot exist is as foolish now as it was then. It was the same attitude adopted by the British Academy of Science when they were first presented with a dead platypus from Australia. They announced it as a fake insisting someone had sewn a bill of a muskrat or beaver. Even after they received a live one, they still insisted the creature did not did not lay eggs. After all science knew that mammals did not lay eggs! This same attitude sadly exists today among many of the scientific elitists who feel that if we haven't already discovered it, it doesn't exist. It is also a sad truth that most of these elitists are the ones in charge of the equipment and personnel needed for the serious investigations which needs to be done. For a serious scientist working on his own with a genuine interest of getting to the real answer, the costs can be prohibitive. Yet some work does get done. Samples get analyzed in university labs as part of demonstrations or learning examples. Often, the individuals doing the testing do not know where the sample came from. Some individuals have also utilized equipment in commercial labs with or without the permission of the facilities to obtain analysis of samples. While one questions the ethics of this behavior at least some testing does get done. Frequently we are told that institutions are willing to perform certain tests if someone will pay the cost of the test. This is a fair request considering the cost of equipment, materials and time involved, but where is the money to come from to pay these bills? In many cases these tests could cost hundreds or even thousand's dollars just for a single test (which most investigators cannot afford). Work done on a gratis basis or on a "midnight test" basis usually have their problems as well. In most of these cases the individual or the institutions doing the tests wish to remain unknown. Without the credentials of the individuals conducting the tests and the backing of the institutions, only a small handful of people will accept the data, and then with much skepticism. In the area of alleged alien abduction research this holds true as well. Many hold that only trained PhD. level mental health professionals should be allowed to conduct alleged abductee investigations. The major problem that the opponents of this position have is that the implication is that anyone claiming an alien abduction is mentally ill. While the proponents of this position insist this is not the case, the reaction seen by all to many alleged abductees by trained professionals is the insistence the phenomena is something other than what really happened. In many cases serious harm is done to individuals by well meaning, but naive professions telling an alleged abductee that he or she was sexually molested as a child (when they weren't) and that their belief of abduction is due to that. It is very disturbingfor a individual to sit in a office of a mental health professional paying them in excess of $100 an hour to be told something you clearly know not to betrue. This is not to say that the alleged abductee believes his abduction to be real. Many do not, or at least have serious doubts. Even when highly trained and accredited individuals such as Dr. John Mack come forward with evidence the trend is for a prejudiced scientific community to turn it's back on the evidence. Many scientists that have come forth with evidence in the arena of UFO phenomena have been taken from the front seat of the bus in the science community and promptly moved to the rear. Surprisingly there are a number of mental health professionals who are clearly open to the possibility that the alleged abductions have taken place. These professionals are able to help the alleged abductee deal with the trauma they feel, and with the events they believe to have happened. So should mental health professional be the ones to do the investigations of alleged abductions? For the alleged abductee this can be as traumatic as the abduction event. The stigma carried by the mere fact that the individual is a mental health professional seems to label the subject as a disturbed individual. Many individuals having had experiences seek out the help, of mental health professionals, on their own to deal with the trauma of their events. Equally there are just as many that do not, feeling that they can cope with the events. Should they be forced to see the professional to report their events? Should they have to pay $80 to $100 an hour for someone to hear what happened to them? It is it fair for the subject to be the victim of the event and then have to pay to have the case heard? What about hypnotherapists? There certainly has been a lot of flack thrown at the use of hypnosis as an investigative tool, and rightly so in many cases. But the evidence against the hypnotherapist is no more damning than it is for the mental health Ph.D.'s many who also use hypnosis either in a proper or improper manners. Part of the problem lies in how hypnosis is used. In any case, be it an alleged abduction, sexual molestation, or recalling any event, whatever, hypnosis should be used as a follow up tool to clarify and add details to information consciously recalled by the subject. In alleged abduction work the investigator needs to be able to extract as much information about alleged events , before the use of hypnosis. As with any information retrieved, either conscious or by regression, the investigator should make every attempt to verify as much of the information as possible. In the case of alien abductions there is more that can be verified than most people would believe. Dates, times places, weather conditions, objects and people related in events (who are not on board a craft) can be verified. A tool is no better than the use to which it is put. If hypnosis is used improperly the results will also be improper, and vise versa. So, what about the idea of abductee's conducting investigations? Certainly they would have an idea of the types of questions to ask. But there is also the possibility of information contamination caused by possible leading questions even unintentionally. This has always been one of my major concerns. For I am both an abductee and a investigator. It is difficult to be objective when one hears things that seem to contradict ones own experiences. There is a tendency to want to try an correct the subject you are working with. But you can't do that. The subject must relate of their own volition and memory what they experienced. There is nothing to say their event must be like that of another individuals. Then too, when a subject is relating events, similar to those of the investigator, there is the desire for the investigator to jump in and share what he remembered and experienced. This also must not be done, and for an investigator with experiences it is very difficult. Often after a session a subject will ask the investigator about their opinions about what they have related. If the subject is to be worked with again little can be said other than that their case is interesting. They will want to know if you've ever heard anything similar to what they have related. In all probability you will have, and that's about all you can say. They will want details that you will have to tell them will have to wait until their case is finished, and that also is difficult. So who should do investigations? Well it would appear that those best qualified can't or won't for the most part. Those that can do, but with sever limitations set by expense and time. Amateurs try with the limited resources at their command, while skeptics ridicule any and all, be they professionals or amateurs. When your get right down to it, does it really matter who brings the truth to light? Ultimately it will have to be the scientific community to put it's final seal of approval on any final decision be they based on the findings of a amateur or a noble prize winning scientist. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Your Source For eSoft/LANtastic/Tekram AND Low Prices! (1:106/235) <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (05:20) Number: 10708 of 10905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: MJHINES@IX.NETCOM.COM Subj: ORTK worldwide membership Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo Subject: ORTK worldwide membership Date: 10 Apr 1995 23:09:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3mcds2$4uq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> From: ekomarek@mail.public.lib.ga.us (Ed Komarek) Subject: ORTK international contacts needed I am working to develop contacts around the world for Operation Right To Know. Operation Right To Know is a UFO political activist organization that has groups presently in the U.S., Britain and Argentina. We need contacts via the Internet to network with our members worldwide. Mail is slow and phone calls are just too expensive. ORTK believes that the UFO problem is first and foremost a political problem deserving of political solutions because we are dealing with a political problem in the UFO coverup. We believe this coverup subverts science and that because of it scientific solutions may not effectively solve the UFO problem. We need contacts worldwide to help us network with our members and also help us to organize in various countries of the world. We have made ORTK a free organization on the Internet with our newsletter, Right to Know Forum, available on Dean Kanipe's Internet page. Thanks to Dean Kanipe and Mark Hines, anybody in the world can access the Right to Know Forum as well as other ORTK information as we get better organized. We are presently working on a setup on the Internet where ORTK can be contacted for the most up-to-date information on ORTK's activities. We will build up a free membership list so that members can be updated by email from time to time on ORTK's activities. I am hoping that I can work out a way to do this here in a local library that I operate from. Seriously interested individuals may contact me at this email address: ekomarek@mail.public.lib.ga.us I check my email 2-3 times a week when I get into town and onto this library computer. Sincerely, Ed Komarek co-founder ORTK <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (16:49) Number: 10785 of 10905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: DARKSTAR@COMPUMEDIA.COM Subj: Retraction & Apologies Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: darkstar@compumedia.com (Tony Veca) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo,alt.ufo.reports Subject: Retraction & Apologies Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Compumedia Internet Services Message-ID: <3mbtvm$g7d@ns.compumedia.com> I have to make some retractions of smme statements and oppions that I have made in this and alt.ufo.reports USENET groups. Centeral Flordia Sightings: I released information on sighting around the middle of March that I had no authorization to release on the Net. And I am publicly appologizing to the National UFO Reporting Center (Seattle, WA) for violating that trust they put in me. Dr. Mack and Billie Meier cases: The views expresed in my posts about Dr. Mack and Billie Meier cases that had the sig line: Tony Veca Internet Connection Director National UFO Reporting Center were strictly _my own_ oppions and views and does not reflect the oppinions or views of the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, WA. The aformentined signature line was posted by a software error. As a result I have done more harm than good and have decided to leave the National UFO Reporting Center and return to private research and study. I take full responsibility for my actions. Signed: Tony Veca <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (23:11) Number: 10799 of 10905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: COLIN@CJ4386.DEMON.CO.UK Subj: Roswell - The afternoon Shift Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo From: colin@cj4386.demon.co.uk (colin may) Subject: Roswell - The afternoon Shift Organization: Myorganisation Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 20:03:57 +0000 Message-ID: <797630637snz@cj4386.demon.co.uk> Concerning an item on "The Afternoon Shift", a BBC Radio 4 programme broadcast at 3.00 pm BST on 11 April 1995: There was a phone interview with an eighty year old woman named "Proctor" about some wreckage shown to her by Matt Brazel. A second phone interview with Walter Haut about the news release he made. The third interview was with Ray Santilli who is the present "owner" of the film. According to Mr Santilli:- The film is the original stock purchased from the camera man who shot it. The film stock has been tested and the opinion is that it is authentic. Concerning the authenticity of the content he declined to make any judgement. The film is currently being examined by a Home Office Pathologist. The film is to have a private airing on 28 April 1995 for "interested parties". He did not say where. "The Afternoon Shift" has an e-mail address: afternoon.shift@bbc.co.uk <<<>>> Date: 04-12-95 (12:49) Number: 10840 of 10905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: NEIL@ADM1.PH.MAN.AC.UK Subj: Re: Cine film of Roswell Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Re: Cine film of Roswell Date: 11 Apr 1995 14:46:23 GMT Organization: Dept of Physics Univ of Manchester Message-ID: <3me4nv$p8u@yama.mcc.ac.uk> In <797336455snz@sweets.demon.co.uk>, Peter@sweets.demon.co.uk (Peter John Fitzgerald Bowe) writes: >Hi Neil, > >This does all seem to fit a pattern, however I am concerned as to how long the >bodies may have been exposed to elements and predators, there must have been >significant decomposition. Also, I remember reading in "Majestic" (W.Strieber) >that M.Brazel remembers hearing cries as if from a wounded un-earthly creature >either during or shortly after the storm. Could this be that not all the >creatures were killed in the crash ( if it infact happened!)?, if so... I wonder >if any did survive ?. The only clip of the "Roswell" film I have seen (that is >the HBO fictional film) suggests that a creature was alive. What are your >thoughts on this ?. > >Cheers! > >-- >Peter John Fitzgerald Bowe Hello Peter, There is an interesting statement in "Crash at Corona" by Friedman and Berliner and posted to this group by Christopher Schmidt. Glenn Dennis, mortician in Roswell, provided mortuary services to RAAF, intrviewed in 1989. He recounts the events of the 9th or 10th of July 1947. Alledged crash was on the 2nd. ---- start of quote "This is what was so interesting. See, this is why I feel like there was really something involved in this, because they didn't want to do anything that was going to make an imbalance. They kept saying, "OK, what's this going to do to the blood system, what's this going to do to the tissue?" Then when they informed me that these bodies [had] laid out in the middle of July, in the middle of the prairie, I mean that body's going to be as dark as your [blue] blazer there, and it's going to be in bad shape. I was the one who suggested dry ice. I'd done that a time or two. I talked to them four or five times in the afternoon. They would keep calling back and asking me different questions involving the body. What they were really after was how to move those bodies. They didn't give me any indication they even had the bodies, or where they were. But they kept talking about these bodies, and I said, "What do the bodies look like?" And they said, "I don't know, but I'll tell you one thing: This happened some time ago." The only thing that was mentioned was that they were exposed to the elements for several days. I understand these bodies weren't in the same location as where they found some of the others. They said the bodies there were 2 sets of weren't in the vehicle itself; the bodies were separated by and two or three miles from it. They talked about three different bodies: two of them mangled, one that was in pretty good shape. [That evening, Dennis took a GI accident victim to the base infirmary, which was in the same building as the hospital and the mortuary. He walked the injured GI inside, then drove around to the back to see a pretty young Army Air Forces nurse he had recently gotten to know.] There were two MPs standing right there, and I got out and started to go in. I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did if I hadn't parked in the emergency area. They probably thought I was coming after somebody. The doors were open to the military ambulances and that's where some wreckage was, and there was an MP on each side. I saw all the wreckage. I don't know what it was, but I knew there was something going on, and that's when I first got an inclination that something was happening. What was so curious about it, was that in two of those ambulances was a deal that looked like [the bottom] half of a canoe. It didn't look like aluminum. You know what stainless steel looks like when you put heat on it? How it'll turn kinda purplish, with kind of a blue hue to it? [Dennis later said that he saw a row of unrecognizable symbols several inches high on the metal devices.] I just glanced in and kept going. When I got inside, I noticed there was quite a bit of activity. When I went back into the lounge, there were "big birds" [high-ranking officers he didn't recognize, though he was familiar with all the local medical people] everywhere. They were really shook up. So I went down the hall where I usually go, and I got down the hall just a little way and an MP met me right there. He wanted to know who the hell I was and where I was from, and what business did I have there? I explained who I was. Evidently he was under the impression that they called me to come out. Anyway, I got past that and I went on in and then this is where I met the nurse. She was involved in this thing, she was on duty. She told me, "How in the hell did you get in here?" I said, "I just walked in." She said, "My God, you are going to get killed." And I said, "They didn't stop me." I was going to the Coke machine to get us a Coke, and this big red-headed colonel said, "What's that son of a bitch doing here?" He hollered at the MPs and that's when it hit the fan. These two MPs grabbed me by the arms and carried me clear outside. They carried me to the ambulance. I didn't walk, they carried me. And they told me to get my ass out of there. [They followed him back to the funeral home.] About two or three hours later, they [called] and told me, "You open your mouth and you'll be so far back in the jug they'll have to shoot pinto beans [into you] with a bean shooter." I just laughed and said, "Go to hell." [Dennis spoke with the nurse again the following day.] She said there were three little bodies. Two of them were just mangled beyond everything, but there was one of them that was really in pretty good condition. .. She said they got the bodies out of those containers [the ones he had seen in the backs of the ambulances, on the way into the hospital]. See, they weren't at the crash site, they were about a mile or two from the crash site. She said they looked like they had their own little cabins. She said the lower portion, the abdomen and legs, was crushed, but the upper portion wasn't that bad. She told me the head was larger and it was kind of like, the eyes were different. ----------- end quote I get the feeling there could have been quite a delay in recovering ALL the nonexistant bodies from this nonexistant event. So would this allow for a nonexistant July 14th Autopsy??? As for the recovery of a live alien, I've heard this as part of the story, ? does it relate to Roswell or more to the alledged later crash(s) in this area (Aztec?), anyone out there got a quote for this in relation to Roswell? would like to include it in my collection. While on the subject of requests anyone got or know of a digitised map of the Roswell Corona area on the Internet. Best Regards Neil. Neil Morris. /1010110101101 Virtual Bumper Stickers Inc 10110101010010\ Dept of Physics. 1 1 University of Manchester. 0 0 Schuster Labs. 1 Computer Programmers DO IT with BITS of BYTES 1 Brunswick St. 0 0 Manchester. 1 1 UK. \010101011000010110110010110101101011011110101011010/ G8KOQ E-mail: neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk or neil@es1.ph.man.ac.uk [ftp+gopher site] <<<>>> Date: 04-13-95 (10:48) Number: 10897 of 10905 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: IVO@RBDC.RBDC.COM Subj: Trionica #1.2 - ASP Part Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: ivo@rbdc.rbdc.com From: John Archer Organization: Trionic Research Institute Subject: Trionica #1.2 - ASP Part 2 Trionica #1.2 Date: 95/04/11 --------------------------------------------------------------- Awareness of Sleep Paralysis as a correlate of Out-of-Body and Alien Abduction Experiences. Part 2: Awareness of Sleep Paralysis is not itself a disease ---------------------------------------------------------------- Awareness of Sleep Paralysis - a REM-state Phenomenon The key to understanding that ASP is not, by itself, a disease lies in the discovery that it is a phenomenon of the REM-state. Sleep Stages Probably most people are aware that sleep occurs in stages of varying depth each with its own EEG signature. Dreaming has been associated with so-called paradoxical sleep, a state of high cortical arousal, only since 1953 when researchers correlated dreaming with the Rapid Eye Movements [REM] that were observed to occur at intervals during sleep. During this state, commonly called REM sleep, the brain is so aroused that it must send out a special signal paralyzing the body to prevent it from acting out dreams. Despite this bodily paralysis, the experiencer may be alert while the body is asleep. And, it may sense its own paralyzed state. This is Awareness of Sleep Paralysis [ASP]! It is experienced as an inability to move or speak while lying fully alert or in a dreamlike state, with or without visual and/or auditory experience, and may include inability to open one's eyes. The paralysis is not the problem. The body is supposed to be paralyzed during REM-sleep. The problem is that the experiencer often misinterprets the bodily immobility. Three Interacting Elements Before moving on it should be noted that we have just isolated three interacting variables: 1. Brain State - Is the Dream Perceiving Mechanism On or Off? Is the brain Cortically asleep or not? 2. Body State - Is it Paralyzed or Active? 3. State of Being - Is there Awareness of, Response to or Consciousness of the state or situation the experiencer finds him- or herself in? Ordinarily, these variables interact in a state of dynamic balance and we go thru our familiar waking/(sleeping/dreaming) cycle. Unusual relationships among these elements seem to correlate with certain paranormal experiences. Before returning to this point it may be helpful to consider the medical professional's view of ASP. The Medical Perspective Sleep Paralysis was first described medically in 1876 and in 1928 it was first associated with narcolepsy. It became one of the four classic symptoms of narcolepsy. [Source: Passouant, Pierre. "The History of Narcolepsy". in _Narcolepsy_. Guilleminault, Dement & Passouant. (Eds). (Advances in Sleep Research, Vol. 3.)] However, today this is highly questionable. Researchers in Japan have found that sleep paralysis occurs in narcoleptics, if at all, *only* during a sleep onset rapid eye movement (REM) period [SOREMP]. Thus, the question arose whether ASP would also occur in normal subjects *if* a SOREMP could be induced. Since simple sleep interruption had been found to be a fairly reliable means of eliciting SOREMPS, other researchers, also in Japan, selected 16 college students who were known to have experienced kanashibari, the Japanese folk expression for Sleep Paralysis, but who showed no signs of narcolepsy. Sleep interruption induced a sleep onset REM period upon a return to sleep in 73% of the attempts. ASP occurred in about 10% of those induced REM periods. This strongly suggests that ASP is a response to REM sleep, no matter how this state is induced. [Source: Takeuchi, T. et.al. (1992). "Isolated Sleep Paralysis Elicited by Sleep Interruption." Sleep. 15(3): 217-225.] Narcolepsy Defined by Sudden Attacks of REM-sleep States When narcolepsy is defined by sudden attacks of REM (or dream) sleep, Sleep Paralysis [SP] is noted in about 14% of narcoleptics. However, when Dr. Henry Everett surveyed the entire Freshman class at Johns Hopkins Medical School, he found that 15.4% of the students "presented a convincing account" of having experienced Sleep Paralysis ... without other signs of narcolepsy. [Everett, Henry. C. (1963). Sleep paralysis in medical students. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease. 136:283-7.] Note: Sleep paralysis not in conjunction with other symptoms of narcolepsy is generally called Isolated Sleep Paralysis [ISP] by the medical profession. Other surveys of normal populations have found prevalence figures for ISP as high as 53%. [26% (medical students in Nigeria) Ohaeri, J. V. et. al. (1989). Journal of the National Medical Association. 81:805-8] [39% (normal black americans) Bell, C. C., et. al. (1984). Journal of the National Medical Association. 76:501-8.] [44% (nursing students in Nigeria) Ohaeri, J.V. et. al. (1992). Journal of the National Medical Association. 84(1):67-70] [53% (class of 300 psychology students) Nightlight, The Lucidity Institure Newsletter for Spring 1990. 2(2):4] This means that ISP is a natural and fairly widespread phenomenon, not a part of narcolepsy, but that narcolepsy does not confer any immunity to it! Nevertheless, there is something about Awareness of Sleep Paralysis that makes doctors want to drug it out of existence. They used to use insulin. Prozac (tm) has also been tried. [Koran, Lorrin M. & Raghaavan, Sharadha. (1993). Fluoxetine for Isolated Sleep Paralysis. Psychosomatics. 34(2):184-7] An Observation by Dr. Jerome M. Schneck, M.D. "Patients with ISP usually don't seek help and if they do they can be misdiagnosed." [Schneck, J.M. (1960). "Sleep paralysis without narcolepsy or cataplexy." Journal of the American Medical Association. 173(10):1219-30] ------------------ End of Text ----------------------------- For a Catalog of Publications and a FAQ file about TRI, send e-mail to: ivo@rbdc.rbdc.com OR check out the Home Page: http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?Trionica.html It contains links to: FAQs, Catalog and Archive of Back Issues of Trionica. -------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: To those who have previously requested a FAQs file. These were e-mailed 95/04/11 to those whose e-mail addresses survived a system crash due to software incompatibilities. If you did not receive a copy, please either re-request it or check out TRI's web-site. --------------------------------------------------------------- Trionica is an Electronic Journal of PsychoPhiloSophical Inquiry into the Phenomenology of Out-of-Body Experiencing in all its forms. Copyright 1995 John Archer This Document is Bookware. Intact copies may be freely distributed in electronic form. Readers who value the information presented may donate an amount they feel is appropriate to: Trionic Research Institute Box 30233, Winston-Salem, NC 27130. TRI also accepts NetCash. For information about this form of electronic currency, send e-mail to: Netbank-info@agents.com with only the command "netbank-intro" (without the quotes) on the first line of the message. ------------------------------------------------------------ John Archer Trionic Research Institute ___ /\ \ / \ \ / /\ \ \ / / /\ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / /____________\_\ \ / / /___________________\ \/______________________/ <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (19:54) Number: 3939 of 3957 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: Duh. What has this to do with UFO's? (Mars) Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:51:43 -0400 From: Lawrie Williams Subject: Duh. What has this to do with UFO's? (Mars) To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L Message-Id: <95Apr11.163359edt.166713-2@cicerone.uunet.ca> Mars is Life-Friendly After All. In 1976 two Viking orbiters scanned the Red Planet with a battery of instruments including infrared grating spectrometers. Measuring just how much the solar infrared radiation is attenuated gave a consistent picture of the amount of water dissolved in Mars' very thin atmosphere. The units of measurement used were "precipitable microns". That's how high a pile of water can be condensed from a given column of Martian air. There were only 6 pm's at the Equator. In other words if a cylinder of that air from the surface to space lost its water, it would make a pile 6 microns high. Hair thicknesses. The Vikings reported that the amounts of water rose rapidly towards the Northern Martian ice-cap, from 15 at 30 degrees north, 40 at 60 degrees north to between 80 and 100 pm's at 75 degrees north - the edge of the ice cap. Over the cap the "humidity" dropped sharply back to 30-40 pm's. Over several months of observations, the ice cap stayed the same size. The southern ice cap was different. It was coated in carbon dioxide snow. Carbon dioxide turns directly from gas to solid at Martian pressures at about 146 degrees Kelvin. But this was only the situation on the southern ice cap. Across the rest of Mars the surface temper- ature in that Northern summer of '76 was in the range of 200-220 degrees Kelvin. That is still at best 50 degrees C or 80 degrees F below freezing! Around the North pole there was a dark band corresponding to the higher levels of water. Every northern summer the temperature rises and the dark band appears. In winter a frost of carbon dioxide settles on the cap and the southern hemisphere enjoys its' summer. During summer the polar ice warms to 205 to 210 K. Since the space age began the "received wisdom" from astronomers seems to have been that Mars is too cold to support our kind of life, that it provides no secure habitat for life as it is far too dry and has no oxygen to breathe and no magnetic field to shield out cosmic radiation. It is usually claimed that the poles of Mars are just a thin frost of carbon dioxide. The ice caps simply cannot be made of carbon dioxide because ice is seen to remain even after the carbon dixoxide would have long since sublimed into the Martian summer atmosphere. The caps were also very stable through the summer, so they must be deep. There are craters at the edge of the ice cap and they appear to be filled right up with water ice - so the ice there at least is likely to be hundreds of meters thick! And the plot thickens. There is much about direct observation of Mars as well as planetary formation theory to suggest that Mars could essentially be a ball of ice with a ball of rock in the middle - or an iron core? In the past vulcanism or collisions with solar jetsam has melted vast amounts of ice and thickened and warmed the atmosphere, only to see it cool again while the liquid water sank back through the thin outer rock crust and froze again deep beneath. So deep within Mars's gentle crust may be complexes of vast caverns with warm oceans and bubbles of atmosphere and all manner of friendly ecosystems. The volume of ice on Mars dramatically changes the prospects and value of colonization trips to Mars. An expedition could land near the ice cap and burrow into the ice to create a relatively warm living environment. Solar cells could provide power to make oxygen until photsynthesis can take over the task. Recently Russia and her sister republics completed long-term orbiting missions that have demonstrated that humans can survive weightlessness for the duration of a flight to Mars. In a sense though, this is all bunkum. The technology exists to lift solid boosters into Earth orbit. If enough were fitted onto a pair of shuttles an expedition could be sent to Mars swiftly and without the great cost and drama and delay that is mooted. Maybe humanity should stop dragging its heels. A war or an epidemic could wipe us out if we are all within one habitat. A colonized second planet would provide security as well as giving the people of the world a new vision of their place in the Universe. And if there is anyone else who does not want a high profile peopled mission to Mars, they'll be forced to show their hand. Lawrie Williams ________________________________________________________________ Much of the basic information for this article came from: Mars - a water planet? Eric Burgess. New Scientist Oct 21 1976 ________________________________________________________________ <<<>>> Date: 04-11-95 (23:46) Number: 3942 of 3957 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: Re[2]: Bob Lazar model UFO info!!! Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:29:49 -0400 From: A naked guy sitting in a lab somewhere Subject: Re[2]: Bob Lazar model UFO info!!! To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L Message-Id: <95Apr11.195258edt.167001-2@cicerone.uunet.ca> > My opinion of the model is, "Not worth it ! ". It is very skimpy on > detail, construction quality and scale. The manual is long and overly > wordy. I have been told of and have seen some very good products from > Testor but this one does not appear to be up to their usual standards. > Just my 1,899 cents worth + tax, paint, knives and some sandpaper. > 4,782 cents total. Actually, I agree. The model itself is about the cheesiest model I've ever put together. It consists of three chairs, 6 'engine' pieces, three boxes, a flat piece they all rest on, an antimatter chamber, an antennae-type thing, a dome, and top and bottom hemispheres. Then there are 2 stands, and 3 figures (one sits in a chair). Oh, and a cut-away insert for the 'engine'. Really simple model. Painting is the only challenge to the thing. However, I think the model is worth it for the book (which _I_ thought was great), and the fact that you've got an excellent conversation piece to sit on your table, or wherever. /--------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Oceania: A new country in development-> welcome@oceania.org | | | | Call the COVE BBS. ATF5 15013312809 Over 400 UFO files!! | | A032@atuvm.atu.edu Curtis Bennett Arkansas Tech University | \____________________________________________________________________/ <<<>>> Date: 04-12-95 (00:20) Number: 3943 of 3957 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: Article: Freedom Ridge Now Closed Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-Id: <9504120036.AA20052@portnoy.canrem.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:25:36 -0800 From: psyspy@CRIS.COM Subject: Article: Freedom Ridge Now Closed X-To: psychospy@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L TITLE: WIDE AREA WITH VIEW OF BASE SHUT PUBLICATION: Las Vegas Review-Journal DATE: April 11, 1995 AUTHOR: Susan Greene [Reproduced without permission.] The Air Force has closed off 4,000 acres of formerly public land in Lincoln County, including a remote hilltop used by aviation buffs and UFO aficionados to observe the classified Area 51 air base. Over the weekend, unidentified work crews quietly posted signs warning hikers and motorists away from Freedom Ridge and nearby White Sides Mountain, both offering unobstructed views of the base. The move followed a decision Friday by the Interior Department to transfer jurisdiction of the land from the Bureau of Land Management to the Air Force until November 2001. Also known as "Dreamland," "The Pig Farm" and "The Box," the Groom Lake base is said to have been built in the early 1950s to test the Lockheed U-2 spy plane and other high-altitude, high-speed military aircraft, including the SR-71 Blackbird and F-117A stealth fighter. In October 1993, the Air Force asked Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt to withdraw Freedom Ridge and White Sides Mountain from public lands, citing a need to protect "the safe and secure operation" of the 3.5 million-acre Nellis Air Force range complex. "We identified this additional land as being needed to ensure the safety and security of operations on the Nellis Range Complex," said Nellis spokeswoman Kim Ransford in a prepared statement repeated by other Air Force and Pentagon officials. Military watchdogs believe the withdrawal is motivated by the Air Force's desire to prevent the public from stealing even distant glimpses of the base's hangars, barracks, antennae and runway. The Air Force issued a statement last year acknowledging "an operating location near Groom dry lake" but would not comment further. During the more than two years he has lived near and monitored the base, Rachel resident Glenn Campbell said he has "never seen anything from the (Freedom Ridge) view point, never any UFOs or secret aircraft." "I'm outraged that the land has been taken, but their tactics have proven to do the opposite of what they intended. In taking Freedom Ridge, they've actually called more attention to the base," said Campbell. Campbell and his supporters say closing Freedom Ridge won't hinder their push for greater government accountability at Groom Lake. They also will now use Tikaboo Peak, 13 miles east of Freedom Ridge, which -- with a telescope -- offers a clear view of the base. "They can't take it all," Campbell said with a chuckle. "They just can't take it all." ### <<<>>> Date: 04-13-95 (16:44) Number: 2162 of 2171 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JHDAUGH@A-ALBIONIC.COM Subj: Philadelphia Experiment info. (fwd) Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaPara (5160) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: James Daugherty Subject: Philadelphia Experiment info. (fwd) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:32:04 -0400 Organization: Msen, Inc. (account info +1 313 998-4562) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:04:12 -0800 From: al@powergrid.electriciti.com To: prj@garnet.msen.com Subject: Philadelphia Experiment info. From a friend: Just to let you know.... I attended a conference at Temple University this Monday evening with speaker Alfred Bielek, who claims to have been involved with the original Naval invisibility experiments which allegedly took place on the USS Eldridge. He claims that he and his brother were the engineers on the ship when it became invisible to radar as well as to the human eye. Mr. Bielik stated that there were a variety of experiments on smaller ships, but the Eldridge was the first manned naval ship used (25 men on board the last experiment.) Mr. Bielik seems very knowledgeble in the concepts of the 'unified field theory'and the ideas behind the alleged project to develop radar invisible technology. He holds to his belief that he was on that ship, although he would have to be in his 70's, which he doesn't apear to be. He claims that he worked under Dr. Von Neumann in Princton, NJ and the Philadelphia Naval yards in the early 40's on the experiment. What is facinating is that he claims that during the second (and last) experiment, something went wrong and the magnetron generator overloaded and the power switch became frozen. He and his brother went out onto the deck and everyone was running around in a frenzy. The two brothers decided to jump off the ship and swim for land. When they leaped off the ship they did not hit water, or anything for that matter for a good two minutes. They finally landed on their feet in 1983 on a field on the Montauk airforce station in Long Island, NY. [if anyone has seen the movie...this may sound a bit familiar, but read on!] Mr. Bielik went on to say that he and his brother were immediately approached by a helocopter with a spotlight bearing down on them. They were aprehended and taken to meet and old man who turned out to be Dr. Von Neumann, who had been waiting for them. [just a note: Dr. Von Neumann supposedly died in 1957 from cancer -- Bielik claims that his death was faked and he is still alive today at 92 years old.] Von Neumann told them that the Eldridge had been stuck in 'hyperspace' for 40 years and that they must be sent back to turn off the generator on the ship. They were told that the technology is now available to travel back in time by manipulating time. He claims that they both went back and succeeded in shutting down the generators. After doing that they went out onto the deck but this time they witnessed the horror of seeing sailors that had been fused into the body of the ship. He said his brother could not handle the sight and jumped over the side once again and he hasn't seen him since. To speed up this story , I'll tell you that Von Neumann figured out a way to send him back to the future where his memory was erased and he was once again sent back in time. He also claims that while at the Montauk Air field in 1983 he learned that we had come into contact with aliens in the 30's or 40's and that we agreed to a treaty with them where we ended up building underground, interconnected complexes for the aliens use. He mentioned the 1947 Montauk Experiment where the top scientists experimented with weather control, time control and mind contol! He elaborated on this but I'll save it for another time. Anyway, Bielik feels that the aliens agenda is to tear a hole in the time continueum to allow very large craft to travel to this demension. These are not my particular views but they certainly add color to my perception of the whole phenomena and will surely have me thinking for quite a while. BELIEVE IT OR DON'T: ALIJANDRA Posted,not endorsed by: \\\\\\\\\*////////////////// James Daugherty, volunteer Postmaster for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists & E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, & resources. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\*/////////////////////////////////////// **E-Mail Update/Discussion/Archive**|*******World Wide Web/Gopher/FTP******* e-mail: majordomo@mail.msen.com | message: info prj | get prj gopher/keytogopher | ////////////////////////////////////*\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (06:29) Number: 2170 of 2171 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JEFFREY.MISHLOVE@INTUITION.ORG, Jeffrey Mishlove Subj: Intuition Network Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaPara (5160) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.paranormal Subject: Intuition Network From: jeffrey.mishlove@intuition.org (Jeffrey Mishlove) Message-ID: <328.348.131@intuition.org> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 03:15:00 -0800 Organization: Intuition Network (415) 332 7863 The Intuition Network is now opening up many dozen different discussion areas relating to the paranormal and intuition. For information, send a brief message to info@intuition.org These list-server discussions are for those with a serious interest. Regards, Jeffrey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: jeffrey.mishlove@intuition.org (Jeffrey Mishlove) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- the above message has been forwarded by THE INTUITION NETWORK Phone (415) 331-5650 Institute of Noetic Sciences Fax (415) 331-5673 475 Gate Five Road, Suite 300 BBS (415) 332-7863 Sausalito, CA 94965 Information: info@intuition.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (02:57) Number: 1913 of 1916 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: BZ050@FREENET.CARLETON.CA Subj: Cryptozoology Special Interest Group Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaSci (5161) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: bz050@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ben S. Roesch) Subject: Cryptozoology Special Interest Group Message-ID: Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 01:12:24 GMT For those of you interested in cryptozoology(the science of hidden animals i.e. Bigfoot; Sea serpents; Loch Ness Monster) there is a cryptozoology special interest group (SIG; a fancy name for a newsgroup) on the National Capital Freenet, in Ottawa Canada. If you don't have access to freenets directly, but you do have gopher access, then follow these instructions to get there(if you do have direct freenet access, just look at #5 and on): 1. Find the Trent University (Peterborough, Ontario, Canada) Gopher in the menu of gophers around the world (or whatever). 2. When connected to that gopher, choose menu item #9 (Internet Resources). 3. Then choose menu item #2 (Campus Information and Freenets). 4. You will then see the National Capital Freenet at the #8 menu selection. Press return. You will then be prompted with a small screen in the middle of you're computer screen. Just press return. 5. You will then connect up to the National Capital Freenet. At the login type "guest" (without qoutes). You will then be able to roam around the system and read whatever, but not post. 6. At a Your Choice==> prompt, type "go crypt-zoo" (without qoutes). You will then be able to read the postings on the cryptozoology special interest group. If you like it and the other features on this freenet, and what to be able post, type "go register" (without qoutes) at a Your Choice==> prompt. You will then be able to read about registering. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to Email me. Hope to see some of you there! Ciao! -- "Yeah, but what are you gonna' do"-Homer Simpson <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (04:02) Number: 10936 of 10950 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: STONE@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU Subj: Roswell Film Flap Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Roswell Film Flap Date: 12 Apr 1995 17:50:05 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska Omaha Message-ID: <3mh3sd$o7j@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> I've been following this "Roswell autopsy film" thread for a while, and I must say it bothers me---or perhaps I should say "makes me rather suspicious"---that this supposedly monumental footage is being kept under wraps, and will (apparently) be shown to only a select group of individuals....If such an earthshaking piece of cinematography truly exists, and if the, how shall I say it, more "enthusiastic" UFO researchers are so convinced of its genuineness, then why hasn't it found its way onto semi-believable public news forums like the NBC Evening News, CNN, or even "20/20" by now? Surely it can't _still_ be going through tedious processes of authentication, can it? Or am I missing the point, which in plainer English would be spelled "video sales"? Mind you, I'm not some hidebound hard-core skeptic that dismisses the whole idea of such a film out of hand, but I'm also not so credulous as to swallow these tales of "this amazing Roswell autopsy film" (that it seems nobody _here_ has seen for themselves) wholesale either; I'm just an average---and dubious---Joe who finds it disturbingly odd that a film that claims to put paid to one of mankind's most profound questions (to wit: Are We Alone In The Universe?) isn't simply shown to the public without all this "private screening" hugga-mugga I keep hearing about.... ....Unless, of course, it's all a bunch of tripe. <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (06:30) Number: 10942 of 10950 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: VAL@EARTHLINK.NET Subj: Re: Don Ecker Sat 4/8.UFOs Tonight.need info Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: val@earthlink.net (Val Bankston) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Don Ecker Sat 4/8.UFOs Tonight.need info Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 08:53:25 -0800 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: In article , Louann.Shepherd.0199700@nt.com (I'm watching.) wrote: >If anyone listened to the Sat night Don Ecker., UFOs tonight >show, could someone give a summary as to what took place, >who is the fraud....etc... a show summary would be fine. Randall & Friedman on Donald Schmitt's misrepresentations Yeah, I heard that show. It was on UFO's tonight. Kevin Randall was the guest of Don Ecker, and basically they were discussing certain misrepresentations made by his research associate Don Schmitt. They co-authored 2 books that have been held to be difinitive works on the Rosewell crashes. Kevin Randall was one of the consultants for the recently released made for cable movie about Roswell starring Martin Sheen and Kyle McLaughlin (i think that's his name- from "Twin Peaks" fame). The misreprentations Don S. made, as I understand them, were claiming to have education credentials he never received, and claiming to make his living as an artist. If I have the story straight, Stanton Freidman was among those casting a doubt on Don S.'s credibility by pointing out that he was lying about his occupation and credentials. The rumor was that he was a postal carrier- which was flatly denied by Don S. Kevin Randall, assuming Stanton Freidman had a personal motive for making such claims, and having no reason to doubt Don's veracity, stood up for him against these allegations. Which in the end, turned out to be true. The canny producer of the documentary "the Quality of the Messenger" was the one to actually confirm that Don S. was indeed a full time rural postal carrier, and not an artist as he claimed. This was a devestating revelation to Kevin Randall, who really had been given no reason to question what his associate and co-author's actual avocation was before the rumors began flying. He took him at his word. Why would anyone lie about being a postal carrier? Or their educational background? I have met Kevin Randall, and I know people who know him well. We hold him in the highest regard and respect him for his sense of honor, his honesty and the quality of his research- which is professional, accurate and otherwise above reproach. Don's credibility deficit casts a shadow on the body of work they have done together. Which is a shame, because their books are among the best research in the field to date- on one of the most likely "actual" UFO events. When the rumors first surfaced, Mr. Randall queried Don S. and Don denied repeatedly and with vigor that those rumors were true. Recently, the producer of "the Quality of the Messenger" interviewed him on video, and asked again about the allegations that Don was not exactly honest about his personal credentials and vocation. Don denied these charges vehemently. I assume that there will be a forthcoming video expose on this issue coming soon. Being a researcher himself, the producer felt that in the face of all the rumors, he would have to see for himself if Don were lying. He called the postmasters office, and found that Don S. was currently, and had been, a full time postal carrier for some years. So Don got caught in a lie. This sucks for Mr. Randall, and if you look a little deeper, for the UFO community in general. A wise person, when evaluating reports of any kind, should examine the quality of the messenger. If that person is a liar, his work and his message may be fraudulant. Don is discredited- hence one may assume that the whole Roswell story as reported by Randal / Schmitt is invalidated. This is the tragedy in this case. "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch" mentality may ensue. It is of paramount importance for anyone looking into this matter to be discerning. The best evidence indicates that Don suffers from a typical ego deficit, hence he felt the need to engage "puffery" with Mr. Randall and the general public. This is a Sean David Morton trick- he padded his "resume" as it were. Mr. Randall is not in the habit of giving people background checks- but he may wish to start doing so in the future if he ever seeks another research associate! But he is a good man, and an honest researcher. He would never have allowed himself to be a party to either shoddy research, a hoax or deception of any kind. It just isn't in him. The documentary producer, who is also a very experienced UFO researcher, has verified to my satisfaction that the work of Randall / Schmitt was good work, untainted by any puffery as it stands. It will undoubtedly hold up to the closest scrutiny. However, due to Don's misreprentations, Kevin will have to dis-associate himself from him. He has asked Don to address this issue publicly, and has yet received no response- it seems to me that Don may be ducking. To the UFO community I say: There are many nutty people out there. There are many dishonest people out there. There are few honest researchers who value the truth above all else. Mr. Randall seeks the truth. Don sought what he is receiving- notoriety. It's negative notoriety that I'm sure he didn't want. But it has come home to roost. And Kevin ultimately got what he sought, too- the truth. But it's a truth he didn't want, and he didn't see it coming. I believe Don Ecker used the word "tragedy" to describe these events. Yes, there is a tragedy here. It's tragic for Randall, the innocent victim of a childish deception. And it's tragic for us, the UFO community- who should be able to rely upon the veracity of it's spokespeople and researchers. That is what I made of all I heard, on UFO's Tonight, and from associates in the know, to the best of my ability to report. Because it's on this very subject: I think everyone could benifit from watching the documentary the producer who uncovered the ugly truth about Don S. made, "the Quality of the Messenger". In the same way he found out about Don S., he uncovered misreprentations aplenty among the people you and I turn to for the "truth" about UFO's and other related phenomena. In it, he shows how to ask basic questions, and how to glean the truth out of all the crap we are being dished daily by the multitude of "Messengers". And how to tell if someone is fooling themselves, by using simple common sense and doing a little digging. I learned a lot from it, and you may too. I finally got ahold of it recently and I highly recommend you do, too. To get a copy of this video, which exposes such "visionaries" as Harley Byrd, and others call- C.S.P. Marketing at (619) 948-6976. And UFO's tonight will supply you with a copy of last night's show. You can get a tape by getting in touch with Don Ecker himself- ParaNet BETA (818) 896-4204, 14.4 baud, or on AOL to DONFEII, or over the INTERNET to DONFEII@AOL.COM. Or write to Don Ecker at UFO Magazine. P.O. Box 1053, Sunland, CA 91040, or call UFO MAG at (818) 951-1250. In closing, I'd like to say: This sucks, doesn't it? Love, Val the abductee <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (12:42) Number: 6046 of 6052 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: BILL STANLEY Subj: Info on 1952 Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Several weeks ago, my uncle (retired Air Force pilot) came to visit my parents who live near me in the Clearwater area. My mother has been forwarding my UFO related files to him for some time now. When he arrived, he was eager to discuss current events, and relate a few compelling items from the early 1950's. - He personally viewed a film of an atomic test where a UFO circled the tower supporting a nuclear device. The object circled again near ground level before speeding away less than 0.5 seconds before detonation. - In 1952, an alarmed U.S. military for several days tracked an object in orbit 600 miles above the earth. He said a second object joined the first in the same orbit. Apparently, the presence of the UFOs generated so much military air traffic around Washington D.C., that he was unable to land his own plane in D.C. for several days. - Astonishingly, an area of the Indian Ocean is nearly two feet below sea level. He said something about about a gravitational anomaly. Well, what'd ya think? I don't recall reading anything about these events. Can anyone bring me up to speed? - Bill Stanley - ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * Origin: Ground Zero 813-849-4034 New Port Richey, FL REC18 (1:3619/25) <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (19:36) Number: 2128 of 2131 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: SJOHNS19@FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU, Steven Vincent Johnson Subj: MACK, Newly revised "Abductions" now in paperback Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaAbdc (5159) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: sjohns19@facstaff.wisc.edu (Steven Vincent Johnson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranet.abduct Subject: MACK, Newly revised "Abductions" now in paperback Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:16:04 UNDEFINED Organization: University of Wisconsin Distribution: world To followers of John Mack's abduction research "Abduction, Human Encounters With Aliens," by John Mack is now out in paperback. I picked up my $6.99 copy at Borders Book shop in Madison, Wisconsin on Sunday afternoon, April 9th. The paperback edition has been revised with the addition of: * Preface to the Paperback Edition. * Appendix A: A brief Review of Issues Relating to the Reality of the Abduction Phenomenon. * Appendix B: A Historic and Cross-Cultural Perspective on Reported Encounters. On the back cover is the following statement: When respected Harvard psychiatrist John E. Mack M.D., first published these astonishing results of four years of intensive research and investigation into alien abduction, he unleashed a firestorm of controversy. Now, in this paperback edition, Mack answers his critics, both believers and skeptics.... Within the Preface to the Paperback Edition (Page IX) Dr. Mack makes the following statement: "...Upon reviewing the text of the book with the help of colleagues, it is apparent that my growing conviction about the authenticity of these reports, together with a sense of their great potential significance, resulted in a tendency to write as if the fact or reality of the experiences was established before the case had been made. In so doing, I may have denied some readers, especially those who would be naturally skeptical, the opportunity to make up their own minds. In this revised edition, I have altered the language in specific places to make clear that I am reporting the experiences of the abductees as told to me and not presuming that everything they say is literally true. Whether or not each of their communications is recorded with qualifying words like "reported that" or "according to," the objective distance between me and the experiences implicit in such phrases should be understood throughout the text..." In Appendix A, I discovered an interesting surprise on page 435 Dr. Mack writes: "...A recently interviewed geologist and abduction experiencer wrote me that his experiences have taught him that "We are a run-away species bent on self-destruction, because we (collectively) are unwilling to impose self controls to stop our growth and to plan for our future with forethought and higher purpose" (Bruce Cornet, letter to the author, December 1994)..." It would appear that Dr. Mack is indeed aware of Dr. Bruce Cornet and that Cornet's recent letter-of-support, responding to the "secret" Harvard Committee, was written with Dr. Mack's awareness and presumed approval. On the inside front cover is the following review: "Absorbing, powerful, and touching... In giving respect to people who have been misunderstood and mocked, and visibility to a phenomenon that is ordinarily derided, [Mack] has performed a valuable and brave service, enlarging the domain and generosity of the psychiatric enterprise. Whatever future research may reveal about the abduction experience, and however much it may be alloyed with individual psychodynamics and observer bias, it is also, as Dr. Mack understands an aspect of something bigger - an emblem of our longing for connection to the greater universe in which we live and a sign of an urgently needed individual and collective transformation." - The New York Times Book Review. Steve --------------------------------------------------- Respectfully, Steven Vincent Johnson INTERNET (work): steven.johnson@mail.admin.wisc.edu INTERNET (home): sjohns19@facstaff.wisc.edu <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (09:48) Number: 1917 of 1921 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: PROAGENCY@IGC.APC.ORG Subj: Tour ufo crash site in Russia Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaSci (5161) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: The Progress Agency Newsgroups: alt.paranet.science Subject: Tour ufo crash site in Russia Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 08:39:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charles Paprocki" Dear friends, I was the first American to visit Height 611 - the crash site of a UFO outside the town of Dalnegorsk in the Russian Far East. The events surrounding this experience were out of the ordinary, to say the least: a Siberian winter full moon night, Height 611 mysteriously silhouetted on the horizon, the odd collection of inexplicable scientific data, the video records of freshly returned abductees with surgical incision marks still visible . . . This place and community is so unusual that the Far East Russian Public Academy of Sciences terms it 'an anomolous zone'. . . But I get ahead of myself. No doubt many of you saw the 'Sightings' TV report about Height 611. In this report, UFO investigative reporter George Knapp points outs out that scientific investigation began immediately after the crash occurred and has continued with much diligence. As a result, there is an abundance of the kind of hard data that sceptics like Carl Sagan have bemoaned is unavailable to establish alien presence. Given the extensive, impressive and inexplicable evidence, Height 611 could well be the most significant UFO site on the planet. During my last visit to the Russian Far East, Evgeny Galichanin, President of the Far Eastern Public Academy of Sciences, proposed that a tour be organized for Americans wanting to visit Height 611. Public Academy scientists would help organize this tour. Proceeds from the tour will go toward constructing a 'laboratory for cosmological investigations.' If you are interested in visiting Height 611, please contact Chuck Paprocki at 'proagency@igc.apc.org'. Chuck worked with me in Far East Russia on a development project and was made an honorary member of the Far Eastern Public Academy of Sciences. If enough people respond, he will make arrangements with the Russians to host a tour during the summer months -- a beautiful time to be in Far East Russia. When you write, tell him the time of your availability and he will try to make the best arrangements he can for all. Let me say a bit more about what might be experienced on a tour to Height 611. Height 611 sits just outside the mining community of Dalnegorsk, which is situated in an isolated valley, deep within the Khrebet Sikhote Alin mountain range. (This range is the last remaining habitat of the highly endangered Siberian tiger.) There are many unusual mineral deposits in this region -- which is one of the reasons speculated as to why there are such frequent UFO sightings in the area. The main host for the tour in Dalnegorsk would be Valery Dvuzhilnyi, the principle investigator of Height 611. Dvuzhilnyi heads the Dalnegorsk chapter of MUFON. During the Soviet era, he pursued his UFO research despite repression by the state. More recently, the Russian military has provided him sophisticated scientific equipment to aid his research. Dvuzhilnyi understands the significance of his work, and generously extends his time to visitors, showing them his laboratory, his video documentation of work with returned abductees, and, most of all, his collection of anomolus materials gathered on Height 611. (He sometimes gives out samples from his collection, as those who saw the 'Sightings' report are aware.) There is much more to tell, and no doubt questions to answer. But this can be done later. The important thing is for Chuck to hear if there is interest in the proposed tour. Once this is assured, more detailed information about travel and itineary can be provided. Sincerely, Ron Logan <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (11:44) Number: 10957 of 10993 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: MJHINES@IX.NETCOM.COM Subj: Re: Press coverage on ORTK demonstrations worldwide coming i Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: mjhines@ix.netcom.com (Mark Hines) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Re: Press coverage on ORTK demonstrations worldwide coming in Date: 13 Apr 1995 19:35:14 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3mjudi$jg1@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> From: ekomarek@mail.public.lib.ga.us (Ed Komarek) Subject: Press coverage on ORTK demonstrations worldwide coming in. Reports on the press coverage from the GAO demonstration in the U.S. and the MoD demonstration in Britain are beginning to come in. Anybody hearing about the coverage around the world let me know. The MoD demonstration coverage was limited to one radio station so I am told by one British contact close to ORTK organizer John Holman in Britain. The GAO coverage was apparently quite successful. Mark Hines reports that a MUFON representative in New Zealand says that the coverage was good in New Zealand which I assume was from the Washington AP article. Mike Jamieson the other co-founder of ORTK says that he got some newsclips from Japan on the GAO demonstration. I have also heard that coverage was sporadic around the U.S.. Folks in the U.S. and around the world who want to become members of ORTK please email me your address at ekomarek@mail.public.lib.ga.us I will be handling the Internet ORTK memberships from this address until we work out a better arrangement. The best, Ed Komarek <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (17:06) Number: 10963 of 10993 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: KATHI.HENNESEY@AWAITER.COM, Kathi Hennesey Subj: Re: Bufora/roswell film Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: kathi.hennesey@awaiter.com (Kathi Hennesey) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Re: Bufora/roswell film Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:29:49 GMT Message-ID: <9504121051427746@awaiter.com> Organization: Awaiter BBS 510-939-9992 RE: The inquiry as to who has seen the Roswell cine film that is supposed to be shown at the upcoming BUFORA conference, Colin Andrews has stated publically he's seen 15 minutes of the autopsy segment. This is where skin samples are apparently being taken from an alien corpse in a dimly-lit, non-sterile environment. <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (02:07) Number: 3967 of 3970 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: IVO@RBDC.RBDC.COM Subj: Trionica #3 - Interactive Experiencing Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-Id: <9504150552.AB17958@portnoy.canrem.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 20:59:27 -0500 From: John Archer Organization: Trionic Research Institute Subject: Trionica #3 - Interactive Experiencing To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L Trionica #3.0 Date: 95/04/12 --------------------------------------------------------------- Interacting with the Experiential Component of ASP -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. The Experiential Aspects of ASP Awareness of Sleep Paralysis [ASP] is experienced as an inability to move the body or to speak or open one's eyes, while lying (usually in a supine position) fully alert or in a dreamlike state, with or without visual or auditory experience. It is often accompanied by fear. ASP may include a feeling or sensing of a presence (of another entity). It may be accompanied by a feeling of being suffocated due to a crushing weight upon the chest. 2. Experience vs Interpretation vs Explanation vs Response Distinguishing these concepts may make it easier to interact within the experience. The experience is the inabilitity to move the body. A belief that one is paralyzed (or dead) would be an interpretation which is then explained by saying that the experiencer was the victim of an alien's paralysis beam, an evil magician's stasis spell or whatever. Finally, there is the question of reaction. How does the experiencer respond to the experience? Some experiencers feel helpless and remain passive. Someone or something else appears to be in control. These experiencers either do not struggle or (more often) struggle without success. 3. An Experiencer who fought off an Old Hag Attack [OHA] Here is an example of self-defense. The experiencer whom i will call 'John' is a traveling security consultant. He was on the road on business and staying at a motel. He was watching a TV documentary early one evening. In his words: I watched the program for about 30 minutes before I felt the first inkling of a presence. I got up and checked the bathroom, looked behind and closed the curtain divider for the kitchenette area. Went back and laid on the bed and immediately felt a presence, much stronger than before! When I had got up and checked around, I don't remember feeling anything, so I had shrugged off the feeling. I put my hands behind my head, closed my eyes and did some breathing exercises and attempted to auto-suggest to myself that there was nothing there. ... All the while the sense of the presence was increasing, as was my sense of alarm! It felt malevolent and threatening. So when I opened my eyes I was not surprised that I still felt it. The sensation became localised in the far right corner of the room, and as I watched, in dismay, the s.o.b. began to materialize. The shape was never entirely defined ... I could see a shape the size of an adult, it felt female 'though I can't tell why I thought that! The colour was almost an aquamarine green, never entirely solid, and I could see completely through it where there were diagonal slashes with no colour. I could not distinguish any definitive features, like hands or a face. By this time my heart was pounding and I was in complete denial. I closed my eyes again and attempted to calm myself by making a mantra with the statement "there is nothing to fear except fear itself", my hands were still locked behind my head. I felt the entity approach the bed, I'll admit I was absolutely terrified, and did not dare to look, I felt a weight exactly as if a person were straddling the bed above me, a depression on either side of my legs as that weight depressed the mattress, and then it was as if two hands reached right inside my body and violently shook me as if to separate my soul/spirit/essence from my physical entity. I endured this violent shaking for a brief time, before losing my fear by getting fighting mad about what was happening. Even though my hands were still locked behind my head, I felt as though I threw my two arms forward and yelled, (I don't know if I yelled out loud) "GET THE F..K AWAY FROM ME!" There was an extremely vivid, electric blue flash, (again I don't know if that flash was only in my 'etheric' view, but there was no smell) but I succeeded in throwing off this manifestation 'cause it was gone. I flew out of that room, down the stairs and straight to the bar. Upon seating myself at the bar (believe it or not!) the patron occupying the next stool looked at me and said, "You look as if you've just seen a ghost!" I felt that I'd undergone a form of psychic attack and could not rationalize the event. I developed an aversion to speaking about it, since it was not conducive to my own sense of wellbeing. I never experienced such an event again. I racked my brain with the effort of trying to deduce logically why this had happened. I had not done anything different over the course of the previous weeks ... This case involve a sensed presence, fear, and the feeling of a crushing weight on the chest while in a supine position. The electric blue flash probably came from the etheric/dream body responding to the imagined defensive manouver while the physical arms remained locked behind John's head. 4. ASP in Relation to Lucid Dreaming: The REM-sleep Connection Neurologically, ASP is quite like a lucid dream experience. Both occur during REM sleep and Alpha waves are present in the EEG trace of both, although these waves are steady in LDE and intermittent during ASP. [1] Experientially, ASP can become a lucid dream or Out-of-Body Experience if the dreamer is astute enough to go beyond the fear-and-fight response. Fariba Bogaran, an experienced dreamworker, reports: That night while in bed, i felt that i had awakened, but i couldn't move my body. i tried to roll on my side but i felt glued to the bed. i tried to move my hand, but my hands felt stuck on my chest. i yelled very loudly but no sound came out. My fear gradually increased until i got out of breath. i heard a noise, and a creature with no head and no lower body opened the door. i yelled and yelled, but there was no use. The creature came closer and closer and i got more and more frightened. It sat on my legs and held my hands tight, and then it started squeezing my hands and pushing them against my chest. i struggled to get out of this by reaching out to its neck, but it wouldn't allow me to . Finally, i jerked myself out of bed. i awakened from this very frightened and very paranoid. ... This was one of the worst cases of sleep paralysis i had ever experienced. i realized that by getting frightened in the dream, i was creating more frightening experiences. So, i decided that the next time i experienced paralysis, i wanted to relax and see what would happen. About two hours later the same night, the paralysis returned. ... Initially i was a little afraid, but i slowly let go of the fear by breathing and relaxing. i started to feel lighter and lighter in my body. Soon i felt i was sitting in bed, but i could also see my body lying in bed. i knew this was a dream. i stood up and looked out the window. A geyser of colored light particles came through it. i stood there with a sense of awe. i reached out with my hands, wanting to touch the particles. As i moved my hands, the particles became colorless, weightless, and i felt the beauty of their energy all through my body. i awoke with an ecstatic feeling of joy. i felt i had discovered a new way to transform a state which i have always associated with fear to a healing and transformative one. [2] [1] Tyson, P.D. et. al. (1984). "Lucid, Prelucid and nonlucid Dreams Related to the Amount of EEG Alpha Activity during REM Sleep." in Psychphysiology. 21(4): 442-51. [2] Nightlight, The Lucidity Institute's Newsletter, Spring 1990. * * * 4. Testable Consequences of ASP Theory Theorizing that certain anomalous phenomena are ways of experiencing Awareness of Sleep Paralysis has consequences that are testable with current technology. Among them are: 1. Techniques for enabling experiencers to interact with ASP phenomena while the experience is ongoing may be tested for effectiveness. Note: It is not necessary for a person to become convinced that Alien Abductions *are* dreams, lucid dreams, OBEs, OHAs or whatever, before employing such techniques. The test of effectiveness is independent of whatever theory is alleged to explain that effectiveness. 2. Techniques enabling successful interaction within an ASP experience will be found to correlate with periods of REM-state sleep; either because they only work within a REM-state, or because they help promote REM-state periods (particularly at sleep onset). 3. Experiencers who are being monitored during the times they report an anomalous experience will display EEG traces that identify their neurological state at the time of the experience as a REM-state. In particular, they should display a EEG trace similar to the signature of a lucid dream experience. * * * 5. Constructing an Effective Technique Which techniques are or might be effective? Quite literally, anything one can imagine might be effective. The key to constructing an effective technique lies in an observation made by noted skeptic and psy-cop, Susan Blackmore, during the course of her own, very powerful experience: Eksomatic worlds are thought responsive! [Note: by 'eksomatic world' is meant (your choice of): out-of-body world, dream world, inner world, imaginal world, mental space, astral world(s), meta-dimensional reality, etc.] The eksomatic worlds respond very quickly to thoughts, feelings (especially fear) and to exercises of the imagination. The only difficulty is in carrying out, in the eksomatic state, the technique that the experiencer has selected ahead of time. For this the experiencer could employ visualization techniques. By imagining, while in a relaxed but otherwise 'ordinary' state of consciousness, one's self carrying out the intended action, one will increase the likelihood of actually doing so the next time the situation arises. 6. Experiencer Reports Wanted i would like to receive reports from experiencers who have tried (whether successfully or unsuccessfully) to interact with their experiences while they were ongoing. The type or classification based on content (i.e. whether Old Hag Attack, Alien Abduction Experience or ... ) is not important. English language accounts of ASP experiences from folkloric traditions around the world are also welcome. i am compiling a set of techniques that might be given to someone troubled by a negative experience, a sort of Frequently Successful Technique [FST]. ----------------------- To Be Continued ------------------------------ Trionica is an Electronic Journal of PsychoPhiloSophical Inquiry into the Phenomenology of Out-of-Body Experiencing in all its forms, including disguised forms. COPYRIGHT 1995 by John Archer Permission is granted for electronic distribution of intact copies of this document. --------------------- Visit the Web Site ----------------------------- John Archer Trionic Research Institute http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?Trionica.html ___ /\ \ / \ \ / /\ \ \ / / /\ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / / \ \ \ / / /____________\_\ \ / / /___________________\ \/______________________/ Rational thought is interpretation according to a scheme that we cannot throw off --- Nietzsche <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (05:12) Number: 3968 of 3970 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: Tale of Two Bunnies Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-Id: <9504150821.AA22149@portnoy.canrem.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 14:34:35 +1000 From: Lawrie Williams Subject: Tale of Two Bunnies To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L Bunny Eggs for Kwa'd Children She may be descended from the Sumerian ET Ea. To the Saxons she was Eostre, the Goddess of the south lands. Her sacred month is Eostre. Her festival occurs on the sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox. It was celebrated in ancient Egypt where it was said that Hathor-Astarte came and laid the Golden Egg of the Sun. Some said Osiris taught how the sun god was to be preserved, to rise again and take his followers, his loyal pyramid work-force, to a better afterlife. When Easter comes, both eastern and western traditions held that she does so as a moon-hare. This is likely to be an allusion to the most striking aspects of hares - their fertility and their propensity for leaping in great bounds. Giant Hare's feet leave a triple indentation on the ground. Has the bunny been reported recently? If you need to know his shape, look in the hand of the classical statue of the Goddess Hare - er Hera... Ovoid, with square portholes. "Bunny" may well come from: "Ba-nigh". "Ba" here would mean Father - especially "Great Father", the masculanized "Goddess" Astarte in her glowing robes. And "nigh" or "nick" could be just that, a nick. Nicks are small marks made at the right times and places. Hence the sun-egg delivers Dionysius - "god with the mark of the heaven-father". He is the grapvine, he who springs up with spiritual nourishment whenever conditions are right. And uncommonly keen on wine too. So through the mist of cultural differences, we might discern a wide belief in a series of widespread visitations by a fertile golden sun-bright egg at Easter time. And the "bunny" comes with presents of eggs for good children. The traditions in Russia speak of red eggs and yellow pancakes. Seen any yellow pancakes lately? Had any telepathic encounters involving glowing red eyes? A curious middle-ages custom speaks of "creeping to the cross with eggs and apples". You might indeed see a visiting Bunny as a glowing cross if she was bright and you were dim. The Semitics called her "Ea, come from the heavens" - Jehova. Since all gods in the Egyptian sphere of infulence were said to have created everything - and heaven too - that is where that myth a-started. The Northern Peoples preserved the ancient cultural awareness of the effects of the annual "silly season". They call it Hoch-Zeit in Germany, the High-Time or High-Tide in England. Perhaps this festival is special because it still has its powers where magic is still functional. The lunar cycle is unaffected by precession, unlike the drifting planetary and stellar "influences" and the wandering tracks of cometary debris. For me, the High-tide has been growing for a week. I have experienced odd patterned marks on my retina out in the dark at night and a tense feeling of presence that I think means some form of energy is "flowing" beneath. There has been independent mystic corroborration and certain requests. My increasing sensitivity to these things might have gained their strength from the various small amounts of elements I have secured from likely sources - my "strings" may be responding to the plucking of the cosmic lyre. It must peak at full moon tonight. Maybe what is happening is what wimmen call PMT. Well, I have a sense of humour. Perhaps Hermes has a hand in it, although the serendipidy effect has not "exploded" this year. Yet. When it does, I'll go buy one lottery ticket. It is strange to think that while millions perform empty rituals that grew from these visitations, only a few may ever have a chance to observe them at first hand, and fewer still will dare to try to describe their experiences. One of these easters, perhaps, humans en masse will again seek to restore serious communication. But maybe that is not on the agenda of the Others. This tale would take on another dimension if I added the esoteric information relayed to me now and then. Last year, out of the blue, a child said to me: "Oogo wants to know. What came first, the chicken or the egg?" I am still working on that one! Yes, it is an old question, and contains an older lesson. Still all unanswered, unlearnt. Well, if any UFO watcher sees a big glowing egg coming when the moon is full and sun is setting, you know that what you are watching is NOT a UFO. It is the the Easter Bunny. And if it is elongated and yellow it is NOT a UFO either. It is one of Eostre's Ba'-Anu-cakes. And if you have kiddies and the Easter Bunny is attracted, creep up to her with a handful of eggs and apples. If you return more or less intact, please tell us what happened! Thanks, Lawrie <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (05:12) Number: 3970 of 3970 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: N. I. A. Mistery Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-Id: <9504150826.AB22222@portnoy.canrem.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 03:07:07 -0400 From: William Uhouse Subject: N. I. A. Mistery To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L ???? Two individuals presented identification to a friend of mine that indicated they were with the "N.I.A." , the ID appeared military he said. They asked questions regarding Glenn Campbell, Area 51, Rachel, UFO's ( personal opinions ), the internet and etc.. My associate said they drove off after purchasing some UFO - Area 51 - related gifts in his gift shop. He said they were clean cut WMA's with blue casual suits driving a rental car. My investigation reveals no indication of any known organization of the initials "NIA". The ID was not 'NIS' which is Naval Intelligence Services. The gift shop has a good reputation with the military and servicemen whom are welcomed all the time openly and like the UFO related items. Just one of those puzzles I guess. I thought someone may have heard of this organization, if it in fact exists. William B. Uhouse 3135 S. Mojave #208 Las Vegas, Nv. 89121 WBU71753@AOL.COM 702-796-3529 Voice/Fax/Data April 14, 1995 11:23 pm <<<>>> Date: 04-14-95 (13:07) Number: 1436 of 1445 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: AKALAT@UMCC.UMCC.UMICH.EDU, Andrew Kalat Subj: Re: Pyramid, Face on Mars Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltUFOReprt (6858) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: akalat@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Andrew Kalat) Newsgroups: alt.ufo.reports Subject: Re: Pyramid, Face on Mars Date: 12 Apr 1995 14:39:53 -0400 Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI, USA Message-ID: <3mh6pp$4h1@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> In article <3meuhn$b3l@nuhou.aloha.net>, SI Reasoning wrote: >Does anyone know how to get a copy of a 3-d or holographic version of >the Cydonia region of Mars with the Face and Pyramids? Can you point >me in the direction of someone I could talk to about getting it or >anyone who created one. You may want to check out a program called Vista Pro. It is available for IBM and Mac I think. It takes elevation data and allows you to create realistic 3-D landscapes that you can move around in and view. The company that makes it (Virtual Reality Labs, Inc.) also make available the data for Mars including the Cydonia region. Andrew Kalat CEO KBL Technologies, Inc. <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (22:04) Number: 86392 of 86488 (Refer# NONE) To: DANIEL GERMANI From: CHARLES EVERITT Subj: Concrete pyramids Read: NO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) ->> Quoting Steve Chong to Daniel Germani >>> why did they need to build pyramids out of "stone" >>> instead of some better material? ->> Quoting Daniel Germani to Steve Chong DG> CONCRETE CONCRETE CONCRETE not 'stones'. ->> Much Chong and Germani stone vs concrete discussion deleted ->> Germani: DG> Since the 1980's it is ACCEPTED and PROVEN that the blocks that DG> constitute the pyramides are made of CONCRETE-(type) build of DG> different forms of limestones and sand from DIFFERENT caves. OK, you guys, you got me interested in this Egyptian concrete stuff. A search at two large libraries turned up one book, "The Pyramids, An Enigma Solved", 1988, by Joseph Davidovits & Margie Morris, in which Davidovits claims that the great pyramid of Cheops and some others of the same period were built of cast blocks. All other sources I could find published 1988 or later said quarried stone, though there is disagreement on how the blocks were quarried, transported, and placed. According to Davidovits, the blocks were not concrete, but synthetic stone, made by geopolymeric chemistry, a science lost with the ancients until its rediscovery in the 1950s. In his words, the stones were "...made with inorganic chemical reactions in which alumina and silica materials are integrated to form synthetic zeolites, secondary rock-forming minerals. There is no way of distinguishing a synthetic zeolite from a natural one." (p. 68,69) The blocks of the pyramids were, according to his theory, cast in place using oiled wooden forms. Each cast block dried within a few hours, and the next block was cast directly on the previous blocks, using them as elements of the form. This would explain the extremely close fit of the stones, the narrow gap between blocks being the result of shrinkage during drying. He also claims that stone jars and statuary of the same period were cast rather than carved, and that large blocks of stone in the monuments of other ancient cultures may have been cast in similar material. His list of ancient synthetic stone includes limestone, granite, basalt, metamorphic schist, and diorite. Davidovits says that the holders of this technology were all priests of sun-worshiping religions. He does not state that the priests gained this highly advanced chemistry from an alien intelligence, but in his introductory chapter praises Erich von Daniken as someone who "sought the solution to the numerous engineering enigmas of the past." (p.24) Davidovits' credentials as a chemist are sound. He has authored articles on polymer chemistry applied to cast building materials in established professional journals, and holds several patents in this area. His credentials as an archaeologist are, by his own admission, subject to dispute. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Peacock's Nest. 1-303-680-0509 (1:104/512) <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (22:07) Number: 86401 of 86488 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JAMES HARTMAN Subj: Sieki1rv.txt Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) An Abbreviated Report on Prof. Seiki Professor Shinichi Seiki, Uwajima City, Ehime Prefecture, Japan, developed a somewhat more elaborate theory of the Lorentz-Force, incorporating the use of the "ether." Starting with the so-called "Kramer-equation," which describes the movements of atoms in the presence of exterior electrical and magnetic fields-the basic components of the Lorentz-force-Professor Seiki conceived of the possibility of creating "negative gravitational energies" by utilizing a suitable electro-magnetic field. Currently, in a process called NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), we only utilize the charges in spatial electron spins due to the application of magnetic fields. The substance to be examined is placed in a high frequency field, and we observe energy absorption effects peculiar to the frequencies typical of a given molecule of matter. Seiki went one step further and introduced NER (Nuclear Electrical Resonance), which influences both the polar and the axial spin. Polar spin, he claimed, is directly related to the gravitational field. Describing a rotating electrical AC field superimposed on a DC magnetic field, he claims that an exponential increase of "negative gravitational energies" occurs at a certain resonance frequency. This means that energy from the earth-gravitational field enters the system of the secondary artificial field created by the anti- gravitational motor. The negative G-energies cause a weakening of the earth-gravitational field, ultimately cancelling it altogether. Further depolarization then causes the vehicle to be repulsed by the larger gravitational body (earth). It seems that the reason Prof. Seiki's NER effects have not been "officially" utilized, is that nuclear electrical resonance can only occur only at extremely high electrical voltage simultaneously with ultra-high AC frequencies. Below this threshold, the probability of negative-G-energy conditions is extremely small. Above this critical frequency (also called - "Larmor Frequency"), the effect of this type of gravity engine is also dependent upon the electro-magnetic polarization potential of materials used. Professor Seiki proposes ferromagnetic substances, such as ferrit and ferromagnetic materials such as barium-strontium-titanate. In his design, three spherical condensers are alternately charged and discharged by three magnetic coils. At first glance, the entire idea seems to be just another "perpetuum mobile." However, the only energy transformed used is that of gravitational energy into mechanical and electrical and vice-versa. Seiki calculated a power output of 3 * 10^9 KW for an anti-gravity engine, using one ton each of ferrit and barium-strontium-titanate for design. This is more than the total output of a Saturn rocket, but, even so, Seiki's vehicle could carry a payload of about one ton! Professor Seiki's work does seem to be taken seriously, as attested to by the fact that DR. WERNHER VON BRAUN considered it of sufficient interest to discuss it personally with him during one of Von Braun's trips to Japan. ----- --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.0 * Origin: Spare Time BBS * Hammond,IN * (219)845-6710 (1:230/74) <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (22:47) Number: 86402 of 86488 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: JOACHIM KOCH Subj: The Roswell Film Showing Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) ## Nachricht vom 02.04.95 weitergeleitet ## Ursprung : Joachim Koch@242:1000/7.20 ## Ersteller: momus # cix.compulink.co.uk@242:1000/7.99 ## Empfaenger: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello All! This is something very important we have received from a colleague and good friend from the U.K. who might be known in the U.S., too. As we declare that everything with regards to extraterrestrial intelligence is of interest to the whole planetary society and should not withheld from publishing we would like to present to you the following. April, 6th, 1995, The International Roswell Initiative ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claim of film footage showing aliens at Roswell ----------------------------------------------- During a TV talk show in January Reg Presley said that he had recently seen video footage which was said to have been taken at Roswell, New Mexico, following the crash there of a flying saucer in July 1947. This footage apparently showed two aliens who were being "worked on" by doctors, though it is not clear whether they were alive or dead. Reg is a British pop musician, best known as a member of the Troggs during the late '60s & '70s. He is still very active in that role and a top single he had written then, "Love is all around", recently made a sensational comeback when it was featured in the soundtrack of the hit movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral". Reg is a UFO and crop circle enthusiast. Background to the Roswell footage story is as follows: Two guys from the world of pop music went to the U.S. to see some old footage of Elvis Presley (no relation!) never previously made public, which was in the possesion of a man in California who was aged "nearly 80". They readily agreed to buy his excel- lent Elvis footage, and the old man was sufficiently encouraged to say "Well, if you thought that was fantastic, you'd better take a look at this!" He then produced fourteen or fifteen cartridges of film with perhaps 10 minutes worth on each. He picked up some of these cartridges and proceeded to show them footage which he says he shot at Roswell in early July 1947. At the time, he was sent by the U.S. Army to make a cine film (not stills) of debris in the desert which was apparently that of a crashed flying saucer. He filmed this and a large crane which was being used at the crash site. Then he was taken to film two dead or dying aliens who were being "worked on" in a temporary shelter. One had been initially still alive but died subsequently. Whether the two doctors were trying to save this one, or merely performing autopsies on both corpses is not clear. A third man in an overcoat was standing close by and may have been from military intelligence. The photographer lamented the fact that the cine camera which he used for this was one meant for outside filming rather than one more suitable for the dimmer light inside the shelter where the bodies were. The aliens appeared to Reg to be tall, say, about 6 ft 6 in.(Other people who have seen it apparently dispute this saying the aliens were no more than 5 ft tall.) They were very skinny and had big black eyes. Reg's description hardly corresponds to other accounts of the alien bodies said to have been seen at Roswell then, which were described as being of "oriental appearance", and it certainly doesn't tally with the story that child-sized funeral caskets were ordered for the bodies, unless of course the corpses were dismembered. Some of this film apparently shows parts of the alien corpses which had been severed and were labelled. Other cartridges allegedly show many military men at the crash site and among them the then President, Harry S Truman, is visible. This is something that has never previously been suggested but might be checkable. The quality of the black and white film, taken from the end of the beds, is "not great". The original was on the type of cine film which would have been used in that era. It is said to have been recently examined by Kodak who confirm this is 1940s film. Reg has only seen 15 minutes worth, which is less than half the total footage; what he was shown had been copied on to modern videotape. He appears very confident that this film footage is in fact genuine. He knows the name of the man from California who is said to have shot the footage but he cannot yet disclose this. This Army cine photographer, who supposedly kept unauthorised copies of what he had filmed, is NOT Nicholas van Poppen, a name sometimes mentioned in connection with filming the Roswell crash but who died several years ago. The photographer is reported by some to be 82 years old. The footage is in the possession of Ray Santilli who lives in London and who intends to produce a documentary out of it. He sees this clearly as a commercial venture. He is said to have purchased the original film for $100,000, or perhaps $150,000.He has had the film for about two years and it has now all been transferred onto modern videotape, both as a direct copy and also in the form of a version which has undergone enhancement.One story is that it has now been sold to Fox for $200,000 and that they will make a TV program about it. Another is that Rupert Murdoch has taken a personal interest in it and has secretly arranged to show it to certain important people. None of this can be confirmed. Santilli is a book publisher and is connected with the film industry. He is not a UFO buff and has not been at all responsive to inquiries made by other UFO researchers. Clearly his principal interest is in the commercial value of this footage but he has promised Reg Presley a copy of the film for private use but only on condition that it is not copied. Some of us are hoping to get a look at this in the near future. Although there is obviously much scope for some elaborate hoax, well-fuelled by the publicity of suppressed mystery, it would be wise to suspend judgement until we have seen this Roswell footage, which, it seems, we all will in due course anyway.One source has told me that there are inaccuracies in the film, such as performing autopsies without surgical gloves. Also an anachronism in that samples removed from the corpses are placed in plastic bags rather than glass bottles which would have been used in 1947. If these reports are true, the authenticity of the film is in question. There are also reports that copies of the films are in possession of the military. Any verdict on the authenticity of the film will greatly depend upon an independent examination of the original film, since any amount of falsification is now possible using computer techniques such as those employed in "Forrest Gump" (if you don't believe this, go see the movie!). As for myself, I will only offer an opinion as regards authenticity when I've seen this Roswell footage and have had a chance to look at the original film. George Wingfield, March 6th 1995. Update on the Roswell film (March 28th 1995): Today two leading national newspapers, the Daily Mail and The Times (of London) carried stories about the recently rediscovered Roswell film footage. In particular they both reveal that BBC TV will screen this footage (apparently 91 minutes worth, in black and white) sometime in late August. It is interesting that the story in both papers is presented factually and without the usual snide dismissal that we have come to expect. Naturally the authenticity of the film is the main issue that is discussed. A preview of the film footage will be presented at the UFO Conference in Sheffield on August 19-20 which is run by BUFORA (British UFO Research Association). Conference organiser Philip Mantle has told the press that Ray Santilly will present extracts from the Roswell film and speak about its background. Mantle says that the Kodak company have tested the original film cartridges and found them to be celluloid cine film of that period. These reports are very encouraging in that there are obviously a number of people prepared to go out on a limb with regard to the authenticity of the film. This seems to correspond to what I am hearing from a usually sceptical source of mine who works for NASA in the U.S. He says that reliable sources, which he has, are treating the film seriously and to the effect that it was a deliberate leak of information rather than disinform- ation. On this general topic he has heard from two independent sources the message that major official revelations on UFOs are imminent. Of course, as UFO researchers, we've all heard that before, only to have our expectations disappointed. However, at present, I think that things are looking fairly encouraging. 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"Bob" Dobbs * Origin: MotherShip Portholes, Portland Oregon (1:105/75) <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (12:27) Number: 3971 of 3980 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: Groom Lake Desert Rat #25 Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 07:57:03 -0800 From: psyspy@CRIS.COM Subject: Groom Lake Desert Rat #25 (1/2) To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L THE GROOM LAKE DESERT RAT. An On-Line Newsletter. Issue #25. April 15, 1995. -----> "The Naked Truth from Open Sources." <----- AREA 51/NELLIS RANGE/TTR/NTS/S-4?/WEIRD STUFF/DESERT LORE Direct from the "UFO Capital," Rachel, Nevada. Written, published, copyrighted and totally disavowed by psychospy@aol.com. See bottom for subscription/copyright info. In this issue... FREEDOM RIDGE CLOSED FUNDAMENTALS OF DEMOCRACY AREA 51--THE MOVIE TIKABOO HIKE MAY 13 INTEL BITTY KITTIES [Note: This issue has been sent in two parts. The first ends with a "CONTINUED" notice and the second ends with "###".] ----- FREEDOM RIDGE CLOSED ----- END OF AN ERA The Freedom Ridge and White Sides viewpoints have finally been closed by the Air Force, ending the opportunity for tourists to view the "nonexistent" Groom facility from the comfort of their four wheel drives. Now, anyone who wants to see the secret base is going to have to work at it. Tikaboo Peak and other distant mountain viewpoints remain open, but because a rigorous hike is required they are likely to attract far fewer visitors. Restricted area signs and orange marker posts appeared along the new border on April 10, the same day that the public land order authorizing the withdrawal was published in the Federal Register (60 FR 18030). We had hoped to hold an "End of the World Party" on Freedom Ridge before it was closed, but we didn't have sufficient warning and, frankly, we were growing a bit weary of "could be closed any day now" events. The saga of Freedom Ridge had run its course, and its final closure was appropriately timed to shift the story to a higher level. White Sides Mountain appears on maps and was known to UFO watchers since shortly after the Lazar story broke, but Freedom Ridge was more subtle on the landscape and was discovered only shortly before the withdrawal process began. Glenn Campbell stumbled across the viewpoint on June 30, 1993, while hiking along the border south of Groom Lake Road. He says he had little interest in the base itself, only in the fact that this site made the view accessible to everyone. "I looked at this ridge and saw families and grandmothers coming here," says Campbell. "It was an easy hike, and there was the potential for a road all the way to the top. This made a great difference for publicizing the base." As the first known visitor to the hill, Campbell chose its name. "It was common knowledge at the time that a land seizure was coming, and I knew that the name was important to help define the battle. I tried putting a lot of different words together, and Freedom Ridge is the one that stuck. We would fight to the death to save it! The real victory for me was when I heard the Cammo Dudes call it Freedom Ridge on the radio." What was lost by the public? Objectively not much--only two relatively small parcels of land that few people had ever heard of until the military decided to take them. The hills were closely monitored by the Cammo Dudes, and whenever a visitor was spotted, word was radioed back to the base that "Watchdog is in effect," presumably suppressing secret operations. It was like the light inside the refrigerator but the other way around: Whenever you were on the hill, nothing secret seemed to be going on at the base below. The significance of Freedom Ridge was mostly political. The withdrawal became a symbol of the old Cold War way of doing things. The Air Force ignored the public, answered no questions and hid behind the tired "National Security" label. Whichever side you may be on, the withdrawal cannot be called a triumph of Air Force public relations. The land application itself became a "hook" that made Area 51 a legitimate news story, reinforcing the claim of hazardous waste abuses which happened to hit the press at about the same time. The suit by workers exposed to toxic fumes was certainly a more important story, but it was difficult to report in the popular media. Freedom Ridge, on the other hand, was made for TV. Where once there were only a handful of UFO buffs and the fringe publications that follow them, suddenly the big time media was turning up in droves. Noisy public hearings were held, and citizens flocked to the viewpoints for a "last glimpse" of the forbidden. News crews were detained and video tapes seized by a sinister security force and its local stooges who could have all been provided by Central Casting. The withdrawal process gave birth to a unified and broadly-based public movement to expose the base that would probably have never existed had the Air Force not attempted such a poorly explained and devious appearing action. "For the public safety and the safe and secure operation of activities" was the vague explanation that will tag this action in the history books. In this paranoid age when more people than ever suspect they will be screwed by the government, the bumbling brass played into those fears precisely. "This issue is the withdrawal of freedom, not just Freedom Ridge, but freedom," intoned one conspiracy proponent at the Las Vegas hearing [DR#4], and many previously disinterested citizens came to feel that they were being cheated out of something that was their natural right. The withdrawal helped breath life into Psychospy, the Area 51 Research Center and the Groom Lake Desert Rat. It provided an energy source upon which these entities could feed and grow, like the parasitic alien creature in a bad sci-fi movie. In a minor engagement like the Battle for Freedom Ridge, it is not the outcome that is important but the process. The journey from application to the final closure may have been unstoppable, but some high-quality publicity and a legitimate policy debate was generated in the interim--all of it fueled by the apparent evasiveness of the Air Force. Had the applicant stated the real purpose of the withdrawal--to keep eyes off Groom Lake--and maybe given some journalists a tour of the base cafeteria, there would have been not nearly so much hoopla. The American public is still patriotic enough that it will usually support national defense when offered at least a plausible explanation, but the absurd nonexistence of the Groom base, mitigated only by vague AF press releases about possible "facilities" in that vicinity, made the taxpayer feel he was being ripped off and gave rise to endless perceived conspiracies. "It is all part of the plan," the conspiracy buffs insist. The Air Force deliberately botched the Freedom Ridge withdrawal to draw attention to Groom Lake when nothing secret was really going on there. The flying saucers, Aurora aircraft and hideous medical experiments have all been moved to other states while Campbell and his government handlers create a diversion here in Nevada. The flaw in this theory is that when one secret base gets a lot of publicity, all the others receive some limelight, too. When one facility becomes as romanticized as Area 51 has, military and UFO enthusiasts in all fifty states start looking for secret bases of their own, and they have less inclination to keep quiet about what they find now that the national enemy is no longer clear. The closure of Freedom Ridge may discourage casual tourists but it won't defuse the hard-core fanatics who are rapidly hacking away at the secrets of the "Test Site." On Freedom Ridge, the military could at least keep track of where the watchers were. Now, the amateur spies have been forced to spread out; they could be on any of a dozen difficult-to-monitor peaks overlooking the Restricted Zone. The Groom base itself may no longer be easy to see, but there are probably other sites and activities in the Test Site that the government does not want observed. Nothing that flies in the air is secure anymore, and the blanket respect that most people used to have for government secrets is fading fast. ..... WHAT WENT WRONG ..... In its handling of the Freedom Ridge withdrawal the Air Force has failed Public Relations 101, and the costs in the long run could be significant. In the post-Cold War world, defense has to compete with other government services for limited funds, and keeping in good terms with the public is becoming an essential skill. As a natural result of its rigid, top-down culture, the military is generally ill-prepared to handle this challenge. A soldier's job is to follow orders. If you work for the public relations "directorate" in a military organization, your function is to read statements prepared by your superiors. The superiors, in turn, take their orders from the generals, who are usually better skilled at moving hardware around than attending to the subtleties of image. The military is not a democratic organization, so managing the components of democracy like the media is not its strong point. Career soldiers seem to be of two minds: They praise free speech, liberty, individual rights and all those other buzzwords of democracy, claiming that these principles are what they are fighting to defend. Yet, they have also chosen, as individuals, to live in a closed environment that is not free at all, and they expect the rest of society to support this totalitarian structure without question. The career soldier sees no need to respond to questions about military expeditures or policy on the grounds that it might give away our position to the enemy. He tends to see the world in black and white: His organization is right and its opponents are wrong, and there is no need for negotiation or explanation in between. Democracy is a mystery to most soldiers, and frankly it is also confusing to us here in the Research Center. We, too, carry the banner of truth, justice and the American Way, but we are using it against the military in this case, trying to make it more accountable. We argue that the military's secret operations would be more efficient and ultimately more effective for defense if stronger democratic controls were in place. We quote this gospel so often that sometimes we forget what democracy really means in practice. Democracy is free citizens voting in fair elections for the candidate who has the best hairdo. Democracy is the O.J. Simpson trial overruling all other news coverage. Democracy is millions of absolute morons each having exactly the same vote as the tiny minority with half a brain and the skills to make an intelligent decision. The more you think about democracy, the more frightening it seems and the more you wonder if the soldier might be right. As we ponder the loss of our Freedom Ridge--how the land was taken essentially by fiat with only an illusion of democratic input--it is useful to return to the underlying issue. What is democracy, and what good is it? ----- FUNDAMENTALS OF DEMOCRACY ----- It is a curious form of social organization. Politicians make speeches and promise the people anything they want. The people then go to the polls and vote for the candidate with the best media management. The winners, in turn, make critical decisions for our society or, more often than not, make no real decisions at all. Society continues to spiral down whatever road to Hell it is already traveling. We are fortunate, at least, that the majority doesn't get to vote on every national and local decision. Most people make decisions based on superficial emotional cues. Here in Nevada for example, the word "nuclear" has already polarized the electorate in regards to the Yucca Mountain waste storage project [DR#24]. Ask Nevadans whether they want a HAZARDOUS NUCLEAR WASTE STORAGE FACILITY within their state, and they would certainly vote against it. Yet, the pile-up of nuclear waste, like the problems of drugs, crime and the national deficit, will not go away on its own; somewhere along the line an unpopular decision has to be made. That is why we hire our leaders for extended terms, elect them on a general platform then let them use their best judgment on specific issues until the next election. The trouble is, politicians worried about reelection still don't like to make unpopular decisions. Although they are not as fickle as the general public on minor issues, they are loathe to go out on a limb on the most contested and memorable ones. To avoid offending the voters, politicians tend to fill the air with rhetoric while putting off as long as possible any controversial action that might raise the ire of a vocal portion of their electorate. Thus, elected leaders rarely make strong, preemptive management decisions; they accomplish only feeble, reactive ones, usually too little, too late to solve our most pressing social problems. If you thought democratic processes control our society, you are wrong. Our elected leaders don't direct the course of our history any more than the figurehead does on the bow of a ship. If you ask who really controls our society, the conspiracy buffs will tell you it is the secret New World Order, Trilateral Commission or Council on Foreign Relations. Behind all of our world leaders is a sinister association of Rockefellers and Masons who have ensnared the executives of every major corporation, newspaper and TV network in their web of enforced alliances. If any significant event takes place, like the JFK assassination, the AIDS epidemic or Larry King coming to Rachel, it must have had the direct approval of the secret "Committee." The alternative explanation is even more frightening: Maybe there is NO ONE controlling our society. Maybe shit just happens. The real course of history could be pushed along by random winds that no one on earth has a handle on. For example, technology is not a democratic process. If someone invents a useful new device, like the light bulb, telephone or World Wide Web, it can spread throughout society almost overnight, and its effects upon our life on earth, both good and bad, can be far more profound than any act ever promulgated by Congress. At best, Congress will only react to the new idea after its effects are already obvious, but by then the process is usually unstoppable. In a strict hierarchical organization, as under communism, dictatorships or our own honorable military, a measure of real control can be exercised. The leader says jump, and the whole organization does it simultaneously. Democracy, in contrast, offers little more than the illusion of control. It is a form of chaos. Much lip service is paid to the wisdom of the people, but as we learned in the last Lincoln County elections [DR#18], the people are rarely wise and usually do not see anything beyond the buzzwords of an issue. Their election of representatives every couple of years is often cited as the cornerstone of the healthy functioning of our society. In fact, who the citizens elect has very little bearing one where our society goes. Politicians of any party are only responding to events that have already happened. Their hands are usually tied by the superficiality of politics, so one elected leader is pretty much as effective as any other. What makes democracy work--better than most dictatorships at least--is that it protects and encourages chaos. Democracy renders its leaders mostly ineffective, freeing society to actually be ruled by a marketplace of ideas. In any dictatorship, at least among humans, the powers of control which were granted initially to get the job done inevitably become used instead to suppress the political opponents of the leadership. Smart individuals with useful new inventions that might change the structure of the organization are usually firmly discouraged. In a real-life democracy, the leaders do not have that kind of power. Our "free press" assures that no personal flaw will go unnoticed, and the fickleness of the electorate guarantees a regular turnover of leaders so that no single person or party gains too much control. Chaos prevails, and the society follows by default its own irrational myths and the compelling ideas of a few unelected inventors. It would be a pleasure to work in an organization where the leaders are chosen based only on their proven ability and not for politics, slavishness or who they are connected to. In real organizations, especially large ones with low turnover like our boys in blue, this ideal is rarely achieved. Promotions are awarded to those who follow orders and don't rock the boat, who would stand proudly with the ship as it is sinking. This is a problem in any mature organization: Selection by superiors tends to promote those employees who support the status quo. People with true leadership ability, who would make preemptive and potentially unpopular decisions instead of responding to crises only after they occur, tend to clash with management early on and are weeded out. The Peter Principal says that in any organization, an employee tends to rise to the level of his incompetence, and the organization grows stale as a result. Democracy deals with this problem by regularly disrupting organizations and enforcing chaos, which eventually gives unelected power to those with ability and allows good ideas to emerge. Due to its lack of uncontrolled entrepreneurs, a highly disciplined and hierarchical organization usually has difficulty changing with the times. The military, the saying goes, is always fighting the last war, not the next one. It responds to conflicts only after they become intractable, and it can never escape from its own straight-line methods. In the case of the Freedom Ridge withdrawal, a path was plotted from "A" to "B" long before the withdrawal was applied for. The special assault forces of the Air Force Real Estate Directorate marched toward the goal through thick and thin, past bullets and land mines, with unwavering loyalty and disciplined precision for however long it took to capture "B" and plant the flag. Trouble is, by the time the goal was achieved, the war had changed. "B" was already irrelevant and not worth the enormous cost of securing it. ----- AREA 51--THE MOVIE ----- From The Hollywood Reporter, April 12, 1995 (courtesy of creepie@ix.netcom.com)... CARRADINE FILM SIZES UP "AREA" by Kirk Honeycutt A Japanese-financed, independent film will fictionally examine a real-life mystery that now exists in the Nevada desert. "Area 51," written by Mike Gray -- Oscar nominated for co-writing a similar muckraking feature, "The China Syndrome" -- and directed by actor Robert Carradine, is slated to start production in June in Rachel, Nev. The science-fiction thriller will focus on a government facility in Nevada known to UFO groupies as Area 51 or Groom Lake. Until recently, the Air Force denied the very existence of the site. Thanks to considerable media attention, hundreds of people in recent weeks have converged on the perimeter of the site, located 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas on Nellis Air Force Base. There, they are convinced, the Air Force is reproducing a captured flying saucer. Last weekend, CNN aired a story on the mysterious Area 51. International Mondo Entertainment, a subsidiary of Mondo Corp., a major real estate and development company headquartered in Tokyo, will finance and Naofumi Okamoto, president of Apricot Entertainment, will produce the film. Okamoto said the film's budget will be somewhere between $5 million and $8 million "depending on the special effects." The story concerns a female TV news producer trying to get to the bottom of the mysterious site. Carradine, who makes his feature directing debut with this film, describes "Area 51" as a "detective story with a documentary sense of reality." Okamoto said he and Carradine mutually came up with the idea for the film after seeing a half-hour documentary on Fox and reading stories about the site in several publications, including the New York Times and Popular Science. Newsweek then reported in its Feb. 20 issue that five former and current government employees and the widow of a sixth have filed a lawsuit charging they were exposed to burning toxic wastes at the secret Air Force facility. The widow, Helen Frost, has charged that poisonous fumes from plastics and chemicals thrown into open pits and doused with jet fuel contributed to her husband's death in 1989. However, the workers' attorney has been stymied by the government's refusal to reveal the name of so-called "operating location" on the base. Without an officially recognized name, the suit cannot proceed. What is known about the site is that it has been used as a testing ground for the U-2 spy plane and the F-117A Stealth. Okamoto, who has headed Apricot Entertainment since its inception in 1989, said the company previously produced a film called "Illusion," which starred Emma Samms, Heather Locklear and Carradine. The investment by International Mondo marks the company's first foray in the movie business, Okamoto said. International Mondo's Fuminori Hayashid will serve as the film's executive producer. Writing a female TV producer into the script solves the most awkward problem of any Area 51 movie: How to insert the requisite babe-ola into a male-dominated environment. Writer Mike Gray took a hint from the Desert Rat [#10] in that the babe is the smart producer, while the on-air reporter is your typical blow dried meat puppet. We also understand that a Campbell-like character may appear in the film, giving advice to the male lead (Carradine) on how he might penetrate the secret base to rescue the heroine. This quirky desert character, the actor for whom has not yet been selected, lives in a mobile home in a nowhere town not unlike Rachel. No word yet as to whether he is feuding with the propriators of the local bar. ----- TIKABOO HIKE MAY 13 ----- The third of our free monthly hikes will be to Tikaboo Peak, which still offers a legal but very distant view of the Groom Lake base. The tentative meeting time is 9:00 am on Saturday, May 13, 1995, at Milepoint LN 32.2 on US-93, about 86 miles north of Las Vegas. Those who wish to attend should confirm the meeting time a couple days ahead by calling the Research Center (702-729-2648) or consulting alt.conspiracy.area51. After meeting at the highway, we will drive inland on a good dirt road (suitable for any vehicle if you don't mind a lot of bumps) about 25 miles to Badger Spring. From there we will make the rigorous 1-1/2 hour hike to the summit. You need to be in good shape to attempt this hike. Those who get regular exercise should have no difficulty, but the hike is not recommended for couch potatoes, smokers or those carrying excess poundage. The elevation will be about 7000 feet climbing to 8000. The terrain is pleasantly forested, and the summit offers an impressive 360- degree view of southern Nevada. If bad weather comes, it will probably take the form of fierce winds, which would limit our stay at the top. Otherwise, we will lounge around and pray to our chosen deities at the summit, where there is a small religious shrine dedicated to "Our Lady of the Black Budget." If you choose, you may bring a votive candle, some incense and any religious figurines you are willing to part with. (Attention all Catholics!) Hikers need to be prepared for extremes in temperature: Bring both shorts in case it is hot and long pants, a warm jacket and hat in case it is windy. Sturdy hiking shoes are important, and you need to bring at least 2 quarts of liquid for the hike. You also need to bring enough food for however long you wish to stay. Telescopes are essential for viewing the base, but there should be enough of them among the group that not everyone needs to bring one. To reach the meeting point from Las Vegas, go north on I-15 (Salt Lake City direction) for about 20 miles to the US-93 exit, then go north on US-93 for 66.8 miles to milepoint LN 32.2. (Mileposts are marked every mile by small while signs on the side of the road.) The meeting point is an unmarked dirt road between the Lower and Upper Pahranagat Lakes in the Pahranagat National Wildlife Refuge. This location is about 0.3 mile past the well-marked entrance to the refuge headquarters. If you arrive later, we will leave instructions at the meeting point for how to find us, but there is no guarantee you will catch up. The lady-killer Agent X has announced his tentative plans to attend this hike, as have tmahood@netcom.com, Campbell and another member of the original "Interceptors" featured in the March 1994 Popular Science. Although the Cammo Dudes are invited to attend like everyone else in the world, none are expected since this is far outside their usual territory. The hike will be entirely on public land many miles from the military border. CAMPING: Although this is intended as a day trip that can easily be done from Las Vegas, some people may wish to camp here on Friday or Saturday night. You need to be prepared for nighttime temperatures in the 40s. There is a free and scenic campground (no services) along the shore of Upper Pahranagat Lake (a lake with water!) about a half mile north of the meeting point on US- 93. The Tikaboo trailhead near Badger Spring also makes a good camping spot, but unless you have the Area 51 Viewer's Guide, you may want to save this location for Saturday night when you know where it is. This is probably where we will build a campfire on Saturday night and tell scary stories. Oscar Mayer wieners, as well as buns and--but of course--Grey Poupon, will be provided free of charge, although supplies may be limited [DR#21]. On Sunday we may mount another expedition or work project, to be decided on Saturday. OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS. The meeting point is 55 miles from Rachel, so a visit there may be difficult. There are two motels in Alamo (both at 702-725-3371) about 5 miles north of the meeting point. Free swimming is available at the BLM (unfenced) portion of Ash Springs (bath-water temperature, about 13 miles north of the meeting point across from R-Place gas station). If you are coming from Southern California, the casino hotels at Stateline are a reasonable place to stay. Rooms on Friday and Saturday nights are about $32 (including two free tickets on the world's highest roller coaster), but reservations are important (800-367-7383). As usual, you are responsible for your own safety on this hike, and the organizers accept no liability for any loss or injury. ----- INTEL BITTY KITTIES ----- THREE AREA 51 KITTENS were born underneath the Research Center around April 1. The father was one of those love-'em-and-leave- 'em types who remains unidentified at present. One kitten resembles her mother, but the other two are a smoky gray, which is very strange since there are no gray tomcats in Rachel. (Are you thinking what we are?) We have named one of our grays "Jarod 3." ===== SUBSCRIPTION AND COPYRIGHT INFO ===== (c) Glenn Campbell, 1995. This newsletter is a copyrighted and may not be reproduced without permission. PERMISSION IS HEREBY GRANTED FOR THE FOLLOWING: For one year following the date of publication, you may photocopy this text or send or post this document electronically to anyone who you think may be interested, provided you do it without charge. You may only copy or send this document in unaltered form and in its entirety, not as partial excerpts (except brief quotes for review purposes). Except when authorized in writing, any reproduction for sale or profit, alone or in a larger compilation, is strictly forbidden. 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The mail address for Psychospy, Glenn Campbell, Area 51 Research Center, Groom Lake Desert Rat and countless other ephemeral entities is: HCR Box 38 Rachel, NV 89001 USA ### <<<>>> Date: 04-15-95 (19:24) Number: 3974 of 3980 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: UFO-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subj: The Spacer Connection Explained Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 18:53:40 -0400 From: Matt Subject: The Spacer Connection Explained To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L In order to understand U.F.O. phenomena you need to learn to differentiate between three states of mind: S.P.O.S.O.M. - sensory perceived oriented states of mind waking consciousness, anything detectable through the series; touching, sight, hearing, taste and smell. Outer - space ... out there D.O.S.O.M. - dream oriented states of mind, subconscious dream consciousness, unconsciousness, inner space ... in there M.O.S.O.M. - metaphysically oriented states of mind, super conscious, paranormal, supernatural, inter dimensional space ... anywhere The interconnected link that joins all three states is the multidimensional portal of mind. All three interpenetrate one another with occasional bleed throughs and exchanges between one another. If the portals remain closed you're only aware of one state of mind and a time. So what happens when one states invades the territory or reality of another? Day dreaming, sleepwalking, dozing at the wheel when driving late at night, night terror, afraid to go to sleep because a nightmare seemed so real, the boogyman, a kid who won't sleep with the light off because you can't convince him nightmare monsters don't exist. These can all be classified under D.O.S.O.M. spilling over into S.P.O.S.O.M. Yet the dreamscape IS a reality in its own dimensional context. Personally I like to keep each state in its proper context and prefer not to see U.F.O's. Many experiences fall under M.O.S.O.M.; visions, out-of-body experiences, hearing the voice of the Lord coming from a burning bush, Ezekiels wheels, Chariots of Fire, seeing astral spooks, ghost images or etheric outlines of other dimensions, clairvoyance, clairaudience, infra-red vision, Ruth Montgomerys' guides, Jane Roberts and SETH, channeling , meditation, micro-psi and telescopic ability, hpho-wa and skywalking or the ability to transfer the consciousness to other parts of the world or other dimensions. Then along comes Washta and the Sirian Delegates, galactic councils, planetary guardians, Spiritual Hierarchies, Teletron, Metatron, Lords of Divine Light, Maha-Guru or Great Teachers, Lipika. Sidereal Lords, Dzyan Chohans, Sons of Manvantaric Dawn and the sons suns are countless, Time Lords ad-infinum, then you boogie on down and meet All PRESENCE. Once you meet one you get to know them all. Spanky and Our Gang. Since the advent of mind expanding drugs in the sixties people have been enhancing and intensifying their ORB of influence. After the LSD, speed or acid wore off it was quite the downer to find oneself limited to S.P.O.S.O.M. But the drugs did accomplish something, they forcefully blew open the doors of perception .. MULTIDEMENSION PORTAL of the MIND. The only problem with using drugs to accomplish this is the lack of consciousness-focus or point of reference to differentiate between the three states resulting in shock as the conscious mind was flooded with impressions from the other two states. People were sticking pins in their skin, tearing hair out because it didn't seem real, jumping off buildings trying to fly, freaking out, hallucinating, hearing voices, going paranoid. Bad trip man. These portals have natural filters that organize information in a structured context so you can differentiate between waking consciousness, dreamscapes and metaphysically induced states of mind. The safest way to encounter M.O.S.O.M. is through meditation because you start from a consciously controlled state of mind with all natural filters in place. Its much easier to encounter interdimensional entities in D.O.S.O.M. or meditationally induced metaphysically oriented states of mind because it doesn't invade your outer space reality ... S.P.O.S.O.M. Yet these beings do exist in their own dimensional context. Their interdimentional reality and state of being is just as real to them as your reality is to you. And since we've been increasing our awareness to reach M.O.S.O.M. it is WE who are contacting interdimanetional space and THEY are responding. Hmm ... makes you feel like a space invader. So we're arriving at something here. Are they coming from light years away Traveling in their ships of fire. Or maybe, just maybe they've been here before us And WE are the ones about to ARRIVE. Still, I wouldn't go looking for them OUT THERE because it just doesn't fit phenomenally into our present concept of three dimensional space. Instead its much easier to meet them on their own TURF and the whole scenario changes. Interdimensional space is not governed by the same physical laws as outer-space. A polar-shift in consciousness is causing ascension. Don't be alarmed by the added dimension. A new program technically advanced I'm sure your reality will be greatly enhanced. A multidimensional portal of mind Will reveal adventures of the Cosmic kind. Its very difficult to take abstract metaphysical concepts and relay them to the average layperson who has no previous orientation to base analogy upon. A polar-shift in consciousness from OUT THERE to IN THERE is where you'll find your mysterious "interdimensional lurkers." But being more advanced than us they can deek in and out of our space with technical finesse. So use your own portal. You have the apparatus and technology within you to take a peek at their world. So where exactly DO they come from and WHO are they? A certain class of these interdimensional entities are so advanced they exhibit abilities that go way beyond your present comprehension. At one point, long ago in their evolution they learned to conquer and master three dimensional space, otherwise they wouldn't be where they are now. One of their most outstanding traits goes something like this: THEY CREATE SPACE AND WHAT IT HOLDS So say they want to transduce a program from one medium, their minds, to another medium, our minds. An image of a space ship full of green men is imputed through your "sensory perceived oriented state of mind" falling within the phenomenal range of sensations where the holographic image can be seen, felt, heard and even smelled. To people observing these effects they appear very real. If you run up to a parked ship and bump into it you'll fall down. And they can give it longevity until they decide to end the program. So when you hear that buzzing in your head or a humming sensation you know you're being induced. ( somewhat similar to the test patterns run on TV) Some written versions about Spacers are saying they come from light years away, you look in the sky and measure the distance from here to Sirius with your eyes and think, " Ya, that's possible ". But then how do you explain some of the eye witness accounts where people have seen U.F.O's appear suddenly from out of nowhere and in a flash they're gone. Many air force pilots have described these events and the military always has a convenient explanation to cover up what they don't understand. And if they don't understand it they don't want the public to know how vulnerable they are. A threat to National Security? Or is it afraid to admit they have no control over something way in advance of us. We just haven't caught up to them yet. Could it be the science fiction of today will be the technology of the future? After all we have learned to produce images on television which appear real.. Sit and watch a good adventure and your adrenaline gets pumping, you jump at scary scenes and get mad at the bitch on soap operas. Wait a minute now.....these aren't REAL, they're just images on a screen. ( a screen you are familiar with) Where's your head at? Watching the unfolding scenario that's been constructed for your pleasure, amusement and edification. So is it any wonder how these entities can play on the screen of your mind? They've mastered our SPACE, remember. And of course they know what goes ON YOUR MIND and they know what you need to learn to BECOME LIKE THEM.... someday. Since they're appearing to us I'd say that's a pretty good indication we're due for some amazing breakthroughs in science, technology and becoming more aquainted with interdimensional space. So don't be too surprised if you start SLIDING around in metaphysically induced states of mind or find yourself a recipient of a SPACER transmission. You know, if you'd rather not see a UFO out there and prefer to meet them on their own TURF it can be arranged. Just THINK of it. All this material is based on my own personal experience and observations. It is always handy to have a fuller concept to work with. I have provided a different slant on the UFO controversy. Some will reject it completely while others will benefit by it. Patricia Mercier <<<>>> Date: 04-16-95 (11:58) Number: 6089 of 6089 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: RICH BOYLAN Subj: Cover-Up Ends 4/28/95 Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Y'All: Be aware that on Friday, **April 28**, British TV documentary producer Ray Santilli will hold a world press conference to reveal what the Roswell 1947 Saucer Crash Retrieval and ET Autopsies military film shows. Copy of the film is in the possession of the Home Office (British State Dept.). The BBC is producing a TV documentary on the film that Mr. Santilli has. White House Science Advisor Dr. John Gibbons has responded to a FOIA request, and released correspondence on UFO matters with Laurence Rockefeller, USN Cdr. (Ret.) Scott Jones, Ph.D., convener of the Cosmic Cultures Conference in DC, U.S. Air Force officials, former French Govt. UFO investigations office (GEPAN) official Dr. Jacques Vallee, former Defense Secretary Melvin Laird, (who wrote a letter to Clinton's incoming Defense Secretary Les Aspin, offering to brief him about UFO matters), etc. Republican National Committee officers have contacted astronauts Gordon Cooper and others, to learn what they know about UFOs. Apparently in the works is a Presidential release from National Security oath for astronaut Gordon Cooper, to enable him to tell what he knows about UFO matters. Jacques Vallee has offered to brief Dr. Gibbons on what President Clinton doesn't have access to about UFOs. THERE goes the Cover-Up. Once President Clinton finds out -who- has been keeping National Security information hidden from the President and Commander-in-Chief, all hell's going to break loose for the self-appointed "guardians" of UFO information. Let us thank the Higher Power for having lived to see these days. - Rich Boylan --- SuperBBS 1.17-3 (Reg) * Origin: QST 2 / MUFONET / Sacramento, CA - 14.4 916 922-1288 (1:203/731) <<<>>> Date: 04-16-95 (11:15) Number: 86504 of 86597 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: BILL RALLS Subj: ROSWELL.JPG Intro Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Here's a photo of the alien that Art Bell has been talking about on his radio program. It's NOT the REAL thing, it's an out_take from the movie Roswell which was shown on Showtime last summer. Take and splice files ROSWELL.JPG 2of14--14of14 together. Be sure and strip the message headers and trailers off each message. Rename the file to ROSWELL.UUE and then decode. This file was created with WINCODE. Please let everyone know that this is NOT REAL! We don't want anymore disinformation being spread than is already out_there. :) --Bill-- ... Release Roswell details? 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MN,'M[#^?^%+#+YD@'.$^\?\`#WX_^M5R[^]-_O-_,U0MOO7?^XW\C6T7/Z_\`UCS5R3_CSE^C_P#LU9\/ M_'W'_O+_`$JFM;"6A(>257(&.2._&>> Date: 04-16-95 (11:19) Number: 86512 of 86597 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: PAT PARRINELLO Subj: The BIG picture! Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Something has come to my attention that is of such great import that it is necessary to include those here who are of a mind to explore. Certain evidence of occurrences in the outer atmosphere of the Earth that is being studied currently are creating a stir in the scientific community. You will have by now noticed that not much is being said concerning the ongoing cooperation between the United States and Russia. Certain experiments being conducted are not known except to military authorities. Take note that NASA no longer provides live feeds from space. It seems that there are indeed some form of intelligent creatures working around the Earth from bases located near the innermost planets. It is highly likely that the Moon is being used for such a base. It is quite possible that an agreement has been struck among several nations to work towards an affirmative course of action in establishing relations and communication with these creatures. One person who is currently involved in an in depth study of the history of human religions and the indisputable parallels that have been recorded through history said; "It seems there is some form of parasite at work and their interplay with human beings has for thousands of years been reflected in the teachings of all religions." Due to science and the mass involvement of the majority of people with the products of science, a new and much higher level of 'religion' is being born world wide. Instant communication has put the power of equality in the hands of the ordinary. Barriers that once existed are falling by the wayside as people all over the world are waking up to a new era in human understanding. What this means is that a consistency in thinking is being born that would allow an outside intelligence to interact with the whole of mankind. It is now being considered that the mass abduction phenomena world wide is but a first step to a soon to materialize revelation that man is and has been a foundation model for the surface intrusion of the aforementioned "parasite" invasion. As I have previously stated, a certain well known physicist contacted me regarding the confounding phenomena that contemporary science is finding most difficult to deal with. If you have any information regarding any 'visions' or really wierd 'dreams' that you have had that would lead you to believe that you have been 'contacted' and/or 'informed' about a very important upcoming event, then please respond immediately! Use netmail if you wish. My address is 1:3812/10.4 and any netmail correspondence will be held in strictest confidence. ~Pat~ --- MacWoof 1.5.3 * Origin: West Columbia, Texas (1:3812/10.4@fidonet) <<<>>> Date: 04-16-95 (11:43) Number: 86528 of 86597 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: MARK BUTLER Subj: Big Black Triangles Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) -=> Note: Forwarded (from: NIGHT_SHIFT) by Mark Butler using timEd. Originally from WOLF (1:105/290.0) to Mark Butler. Original dated: Apr 12 '95, 13:48 In a message, Mark Butler writes: > Once upon a time WOLF uttered these sage words to Mark Butler: > > W> I just read the article you cross posted into Night Shift CP > W> about the big black triangular shaped whatchamacallits. Ya > W> think anyone would believe my story if I posted it here? > > The belief of others is not a requirement to telling the truth. If it > were a prerequisite no truth would ever have been uttered in the > history of Man > ...so by all means, go for it. ;-) Hmmm...I do want to tell my story, but since the raven is still flying, I have to leave out some of the details. Basically, we nearly flew into a big, black triangle (square? we were at one corner and it was too big to see the full length so it could have been a triangle, or a square, or some other shape) that was hanging out in the middle of a cumulonimbus cloud. Since most of our aircraft, including the one we were in, do not react too well to thunderstorms, we thought it was unusual that this thing maintained perfect stability while we were being batted all over the sky. We got caught in a thermal and danged near flew into the bottom of it, but were held motionless at an obscene attitude, about 50-150 feet below the thing (since the superstructure did not reflect light very well, it is hard to accurately report our distance from the object), in perfect silence for a full twelve count. We must have been in a strong electo-magnetic atmosphere because our instruments failed and we lost power and our skin kinda "bristled" while we hung there at about a positive 60 degree pitch, about 20 degrees of roll, and about 30 degrees left relative yaw. The sound "came back on" accompanied by the brightest flash of light I have ever seen, and we fell backward, until the PnC (pilot in command) recovered a couple hundred feet AGL (relative observation based on known height of the tower we almost knocked down. We were without reliable instrumentation and we didn't have time to scan the mechanical barometer.) When I asked the PnC if he/she saw it, the reply was: No. And neither did you. Since I was merely navigating this run, I was outranked. Military Radar from three bases reported no unusual incidents. Civilian Weather Radar reported merely a line of thunderstorms. State Police files show three reports of a big black triangle. How big was it? We could have landed on it. Was it an actual physical structure? Yup. What was it made out of? Haven't a clue. What method of propulsion? Merely guesses here. EMI and a "feeling" that I lost about a hundred pounds. You put it together. Who made it? Haven't a clue. Where was it from? See above. What was it doing in a thunderstorm? Hiding in it? Manipulating it? Six chronometers that were synchronized to the 1/100th second before the flight, showed a variance of twelve minutes after the flight. Total flight time indicated TAS in excess of the limits of the airframe, unless we had one hell of a tail wind. USWS winds aloft, SIGMETs and NOTAMs disproved this theory. A couple days after the flight, a cyst appeared on my right calf. When it became irritated, I lanced it with a scapel and removed something that resembled pale brown sand. It was shortly thereafter that I started dreaming about the men in black. But since I have had weird dreams my entire life, these dreams carry no special significance. Well, there you have it, in a nutshell. Are we alone in this universe? You tell me. The only thing I know is that one cannot kill a demon. Mark, I do thank you for sharing your story when we met for pizza with Gramps. Have a nice day. ___ Silver Xpress Mail System 5.03H1 - Origin: Bitter Butter Better BBS, Tualatin OR, 503-692-5841 (1:105/290) --- * Origin: MotherShip Portholes, Portland Oregon (1:105/75) <<<>>> Date: 04-16-95 (14:15) Number: 3982 of 3991 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: ED.HACKETT@SOURCEBBS.COM Subj: Re: Bob Lazar Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: UFO-L (6679) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 14:11:00 -0400 Reply-To: ED HACKETT From: ED HACKETT Organization: SelectiveSourceBBS VirginiaBeach (804)471 6776 Subject: Re: Bob Lazar To: Multiple recipients of list UFO-L Message-Id: <95Apr16.141055edt.166432-1@cicerone.uunet.ca> In a message dated 04/16/95 Ellen Summers wrote to ALL: > If a nuclear physicist says > >Bob Lazar is a fraud because his theories don't measure up, > >then I probably would put the Lazar story on the shelf until I hear > >more. ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE... From: nefilim@delphi.com (John A. Presser) Date: 27 Mar 94 19:44:35 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Message-ID: <9403271443591.nefilim.DLITE@delphi.com> Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo I received an e-mail message from BLACKSUN that contained a document I think deserves to be posted here. It is a physicist's look at the Lazar claims about gravity A and B, etc. Like most people with very little knowledge of physics, I can be readily fooled by something that sounds right based on my limited knowledge. Lazar sounded good to me. The following paper suggests that, as a result of his statements, Lazar may likely be an agent of disinformation. There are other things that have happened relative to this man that lead me to accept that as possible. In any case, I want to thank BLACKSUN for this info. Engineering View of Lazar's Anti-Gravity Physics George D. Hathaway, P.Eng. Hathaway Consulting Services 39 Kendal Ave., Toronto Ontario, Canada M5R 1L5 Introduction This author was asked by Larry Fenwick, editor of the CUFORN Bulletin, to review a recent video describing Robert Lazar's theories and purported observation. In this video, Lazar repeats previous claims that he witnessed tests of advanced "flying saucers" of extraterrestrial origin and took part in briefings describing their operation and mode of propulsion in a secret government facility in Nevada. This paper will analyze some of the so-called "anti-gravitational physics" from a conventional engineering and physics perspective. As in most of these cases, the propounder of the theory tries to give it an air of respectability by invoking well-known and conventional ideas in the physical and engineering sciences as justification for the more speculative ideas. This is acceptable if the conclusions and inferences drawn follow a well-defined and rigorous development. If the development of the ideas is not rigorous, then there is no need to invoke conventional wisdom a priori. It is into this latter category that the anti-gravity theory of Lazar falls (hard). For clarity, this brief examination will be divided into three sections: Borrowing from Conventional Physics, Problems with Lazar's Physics, and Engineering Problems. The first section will highlight the background ideas from mainstream physics, primarily General Relativity theory, on which Lazar tries to build his case. The second section identifies problems with "Lazar Physics" and points out where pure speculation takes over from conventional knowledge. The third section considers problems with trying to engineer the physical systems Lazar describes. It is hoped that the level of understanding required to follow these arguments is the same as required to try to follow Lazar's thesis. Borrowing From Conventional Physics According to General Relativity, the three-dimensional space we generally perceive can be coupled to a time dimension and called "Space-Time". This concept can now be given physical properties including viewing it as a 4-dimensional "fabric" which can be bent, or warped. Space-time can also be perceived as enveloping all masses in the universe, as raisins in a plum pudding. These masses, stars, planets, atomic particles, all have the property of causing the space- time fabric to bend, the amount of bend being a function of the mass involved. Since the measurement of distance is a function of the physical dimensions of the spatial portion of the fabric, bending the fabric will cause distance measurements to change. In fact, bending the fabric enough in the vicinity of our sun will cause the real distance to the nearby stars to increase. Lazar seems to suggest that large masses (eg black holes ) are the only way to bend the fabric of space-time (apart from his gravity waves ). Two other methods are allowed by the theory, namely high charge density and spin, but he avoids mentioning these. This bending would also cause light rays to follow curved paths around the object or spacecraft doing the bending, thus possibly rendering a craft invisible to outside observers, as Lazar explains. The strong force which binds positively charged protons together in the nucleus of a atom is well known, although its cause and precise mechanism are not. Lazar's description of transmutation of elements to more or less stable elements by bombarding these elements with protons is substantially correct. It is known that by doing so, new elements can and have been produced, up to atomic number ( # of protons) Z=110. However, most only last ( are stable for ) fractions of a second. It is speculated by mainstream physicists that if atoms could be manufactured with Z=115, they might be stable enough to last days or years before decaying into lighter elements by radioactivity. This is pure speculation, however. It is also known that in certain high-energy atomic interactions with bombarding particles, a mirror-image of normal matter can be produced in tiny amounts, called anti-matter. Upon colliding with atomic particles of normal matter, both particles annihilate each other with a tremendous release of energy, as Lazar points out. These are the main points from conventional physics that Lazar uses to give the impression that what is to follow is not only reasonable but realizable. Problems with Lazar's Physics It is hard to conceive of the method whereby Lazar proposes to decrease the distance from our solar system to the nearby stars by bending space-time in the manner described. The simulation involving the fishing net model of space-time Lazar uses to demonstrate decreasing distance is at odds with General Relativity's description of actions near large gravitational fields. So far there has been no hint that either anti-matter or gravitational waves will emanate from element Z=115 when bombarded by protons. If this was the case, one might expect to have seen some tendency to do this in the higher Z elements, such as those above Z=100. Why will this suddenly occur at Z=115 and nowhere else? Most physicists agree that gravity, like other fields, such as electromagnetism, displays complementary aspects of a particle-like and a wave-like nature depending upon the particular situation. Lazar's statement that gravity is only a wave with no particulate aspect is not supported by any evidence as far as conventional physics is concerned. Lazar also fails to mention those physicists who consider gravity to be neither waves or particles but merely special arrangements of electromagnetic fields or manifestations of a much more subtle energy form. Lazar makes the correspondence between the strong nuclear force and what he calls "Gravity A". There is no strong evidence for this correspondence. Even if the strong nuclear force could be stimulated to reach outside the boundary of an atom as claimed by Lazar, there is no indication that it would act like normal gravity ("Gravity B" ) and or bend the fabric of space-time. Just because a force is attractive doesn't mean it is gravity. The only slight hint that there are different "forms" of gravity is in the discovery of the so-called "5th force", a slight repulsive force much smaller than normal gravity. Lazar never clarifies how the same element Z=115 when bombarded with protons can simultaneously release anti-matter and gravitational waves. Presumably, the proton energy must be astronomical to perform just one of these feats. There is a terrible energy imbalance between available proton energy and that energy required to bend space-time, if General Relativity is to be believed. If, as Lazar claims, element Z=115 is only found on certain stars whose density and mass are of a certain critical size, why has it not shown up on spectroscopic images of stars, of which we on earth have catalogued many thousands? Lazar gives no indication of why it follows that mechanically directing these hypothetical gravity waves in a certain spatial orientation will therefore bend the space-time fabric in the required direction and thus foreshorten the distance in that direction and thus fore-shorten the distance in that direction. There is no evidence from General Relativity that such bending can be made anisotropically (i.e., in a preferred direction ). Engineering Problems Lazar claims that since gravity waves are produced by Z=115 ("Gravity A") they can be amplified and directed. Because cosmological gravity is a function of masses such as stars and planets, the wave- like nature of gravity can have an almost infinite set of frequencies ascribed to it. This is due to the near-infinite variety of speeds and directions of all the masses in the universe relative to one another. For effective "anti-gravity" propulsion of the type described by Lazar, the bandwidth (capacity to amplify many frequencies) of such gravity wave amplifiers would have to be so large that we could not hope to engineer any such amplification scheme. An amplifier must be able to distinguish what is being amplified from the power required to amplify whatever is being amplified. since gravity penetrates all matter, the amplifiers must be constructed from non-matter, an unlikely situation. The directing of such waves from an amplifier via some antenna or gravity radiator is even more unlikely. Even if such amplifiers and radiators were realizable, why use element Z=115 as the source? Why not design a super-high frequency oscillator to replace the hard-to-get element 115 (since it is only available on or near stars)? If the scale of the anti-gravity, anti-matter "reactor" shown in the video is any indication, the likelihood of directing a super highly-energetic beam of protons up and around such a tightly-curved tube without a super magnetic or electrostatic field is negligible. This is assuming there is room in the lower deck of the craft to produce such a beam. The most probable direction of anti-matter particles (likely anti-protons) emanating from Z=115 upon bombardment by high-energy protons is parallel to the incoming proton beam. By some magic, Lazar's reactor is able to bend the anti-matter beam 90 degrees downward. On earth, huge magnetic fields are required to keep anti- matter from touching the walls of any (normal-matter) container it is in so as not to annihilate prematurely. These are nowhere in evidence in Lazar's model. Apparently the anti-matter particles are directed downward through a high vacuum and directly onto a "gaseous target" where they annihilate and heat is created. Lazar fails to inform us how to keep the gaseous target from being sucked up into the high vacuum. The heat so created is fed via the gas to a 100% efficient thermionic heat-to- electricity converter, thus completely skirting Carnot's heat-cycle thermodynamic law. The end-product, electricity, is supposedly used to power the gravity wave amplifiers (see above). Surely beings as advanced as those who designed this system would have found a better way of creating the necessary energy to drive the system. Summary It appears to this author that the anti-gravity physics of Robert Lazar as outlined in his recent video is either an attempt to garner admiration and perhaps a job or else it is part of the larger disinformation campaign which seems to shroud such investigations. The slick delivery and smooth style with which the lecture was presented plus the mixing of conventional physics and wild speculation tends to indicate the latter option. It is another in a long series of deviations thrown at serious researchers to prevent them from arriving at the truth about the phenomenon. As usual, the time and effort wasted in trying to find any hidden nuggets of real, novel information are much greater than the potential reward of such a find, as is typical of disinformation strategies. However, in this case, I cannot find any hidden nuggets no matter how hard I look. ED --- TIMM 1.0.1 - The Ideal Mac Mailreader. Just Generally Holier Than Thou Since 1972; do not taunt happy fun ball --- Selective Source BBS \/\/\/ Virginia Beach, Virginia \/\/\/ \//\\/ 804 471 6776 \//\\/ <<<>>> Date: 04-17-95 (12:57) Number: 6093 of 6097 (Refer# NONE) To: JOHN POWELL From: RICH BOYLAN Subj: Roswell film Read: NO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-BAMA (955) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) JP> RB> The Times of London (not a tabloid) reported that the JP> RB> British UFO Research Association offered to let the JP>Ministry of JP> RB> Defense check out the film. Doesn't sound like a typical JP>hoax. MoD JP> RB> could "expose" the film as "a hoax" even if it weren't. JP>Sounds like JP> RB> BUFORA is pretty sure that they have the real footage, to JP>let the JP> RB> Defense officials have a look at it. JP> JP>But where's the follow-up? Who at BUFORA offered to whom at MoD JP>a free JP>peek? And what was the MoD response? John: There's no word that the British Ministry of Defence took up BUFORA's offer for an advance inspection of the Roswell Saucer Crash Retrieval and ET Autopsies military film. BUT, the UK Home Office (their State Department)'s pathologist is examining the film. Thus, the British Government is analyzing the film. Having the Home Office analyze it sounds like they think that ET documentary footage is a "matter of state", rather than a military problem. Notice that MI-5 (British Intelligence) is keeping arms length away from it (publicly). JP> RB> We all need to be careful with this one Rich. JP> RB> No argument there. I am venturing no opinion on the JP> RB> authenticity until I see it, or credible witnesses report JP> RB> its actual scenes to me. JP> JP>Y'know, I thought about it that way too but then a light went JP>off... We JP>have a respectable number of UFO pictures/videos that can't be JP>debunked. JP>Suppose there's _nothing_ wrong with the alleged Roswell film JP>(no items JP>historically out of time or place, the film media itself checks JP>out, JP>etc.), _AND_ no gov't announcement is forthcoming - what then? Well, then, what happens is what I have been saying is Scenario 3, the Most Likely. Namely, that neither the Administration nor military/intelligence will take a posture on the Un-Cover-Up, and that it will be up to a prestigious group of civilian scientists, academics and research professionals to do the yeoman duty of bringing the facts and appropriate analysis to the public, and to take the heat and the fear-based reactions. In that instance, the When Cosmic Cultures Meet International Conference in Washington, D.C. [you comin'?] on Memorial Day Weekend may offer some preview of such a process. There a worthy gathering of scientists, academics and research professionals, flanked by journalists, retired military officers, and political representatives, will be available to interpret the implications for humanity of contact by intelligent persons from other worlds. Given that the Roswell Saucer Crash Retrieval & ET Autopsy Film will have been out for four weeks by then [April 28th world press conference], the sequence and timing of Scenario 3 would be right on course. - Rich Boylan --- SuperBBS 1.17-3 (Reg) * Origin: QST 2 / MUFONET / Sacramento, CA - 14.4 916 922-1288 (1:203/731) <<<>>> Date: 04-17-95 (12:17) Number: 86599 of 86653 (Refer# NONE) To: LAWRENCE PILON From: ROYSTON PAYNTER Subj: Re: THE TRUTH ABOUT UFOS Read: NO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE (Echo) Conf: F-UFO (1356) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) -=> Quoting Lawrence Pilon to Benjamin Piper <=- LP> Just imagine if people believed in aliens on faith. They do! Popular UFOlogy is the functional equivalent of a religion, IMHO. Now, I am not saying that is a bad thing, and I have nothing against religion, but I think that the very clear parallels are interesting to draw: THE DEITIES The aliens. Imbued with free will and cosmic powers, they flout the laws of physics and cannot be expected to behave in a consistent or logical manner, or to co-operate with scientific experiments. REVELATION A personal experience with a UFO is required in order to see the light. PROPHETS Some of those that have had an encounter (with a UFO, an alien or even the Face on Mars) take up the cloth and evangelize about their beliefs. It is these people that are the driving force behind popular UFOlogy. FALSE PROPHETS Others simply make something up to jump onto the gravy train. MARTYRS Those that are persecuted by the global conspiracy for their beliefs, or because of the Secret Knowledge they possess. PRIESTS These, the truest of believers, have not had a direct revelation of their own but absorb and disseminate the teachings of those that have. HOLY GRAIL The physical evidence, the proof that aliens really have visited the Earth, exists for sure but remains mysteriously out of reach. Usually said to be in the hands of the forces of evil. ICONS The photographs and videotape of UFOs might or might not be genuine, and the object pictured in them might or might not be a true alien space ship, but it is enough to remind the faithful of the mysteries of their belief. SHROUDS Some icons are patently falsified, but nonetheless serve the purpose of attracting new inquirers into the Faith. MIRACLES They are all around us: the mutilated cows, the crop circles. RAPTURE The day when the mass landing occurs, and the humiliation of the skeptics is assured, is fast approaching. THE ANTI-CHRIST Science, and its chief advocate, CSICOP. The False Way. Motivated not by a genuine search for truth but by evil. THE INQUISITION The skeptics. Most commonly characterized as "skeptibunkers". It is said that they refuse to see the Truth, and are blind to the evidence. They exist to serve the anti-christ, to spread disinformation, and to "de-program" the faithful. THE FAITH The alien visitations cannot be proved in any tangible way but must be believed as an article of faith. One has to feel in one's heart that aliens are visiting the Earth, and everything else falls into place. ... C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: COM18, Boucherville Qc, 514-449-9567 (1:167/570) <<<>>> Date: 04-17-95 (12:50) Number: 11008 of 11009 (Refer# NONE) To: ALL From: CHECKMATE@CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK, "Gerorge Reece howe" Subj: Re: Mexico City Read: (N/A) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: U-AltParaUFO (5163) Read Type: READING ALL (A) (+) From: checkmate@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Gerorge Reece howe") Subject: Re: Mexico City Message-ID: Organization: envision Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 11:41:57 GMT Like I said in a previous posting, the NBC video didn't even begin to do the sightings justice. If you really are seriously into UFO's (or even debunking them) this video will give you hours of happy speculation. It is unfair on you for me to ask you to comment on footage you haven't seen, but by the same token you can't make valid comments yourself until you too have seen it. And by the way, balloons don't regularly change direction or fly into the wind as these things do - or fly in groups of up to 30, each moving back and forth independently with no adherence to any wind direction. I've checked with the Mexican Air Authorities, Air traffic Control (who have now stopped giving out much info'), State Police, British Embassy, local TV stations, two newspapers (not the best source for the truth, I know) and the military. Many had seen things themselves, ALL acknowledged that there was something odd going on which they had no explanation for. Coincidentally there are three other videos of EXACTLY the same UFO type (the eclipse UFO, there have been 3 other types seen and filmed regularly in the area, the best of these photographed by two policemen) from elsewhere in the world. Two are from Japan, the other one was filmed over an area of Swindon in the UK on a regular basis, hovering for up to two hours in the same spot over a period of a month. It was seen on radar by a nearby airport (who could make no comment). The object was filmed by two separate locals and watched by over 600 during that period. After the first sighting in Mexico, Jamie Maussan of '60 minutes'in Mexico asked that if any members of the public had video footage of UFO's in the area to send it in to him. To date he has (alledgedly) almost 2,000 privately filmed sequences (many of which are on the 2 tapes). On Sept 18th (?) a plane coming into land at Mexico had a collision with a 'large object' (in their words) which 'did far more damage than a bird or flock of birds' and caused the plane to make an emergency landing. The object did not show up on radar. The object which hovered below the eclipse WAS caught on radar (stationary over the city for about 20 mins). Enhancements to the best of the original 17 videos all showed a metallic 'hockey puck' shape spinning in an anti-clockwise direction, not just a fine light point as would have happened if it were a star. So, we can discount a balloon and Venus or any other planet or star. Any other ideas Don? I'm more than happy to consider other explanations. _C_ <<<>>>